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There's already GTK and Qt. What more do you want? > And then it still needs a centralized way to monetize the development work. I disagree: once you put mone

There's already GTK and Qt. What more do you want? > And then it still needs a centralized way to monetize the development work. I disagree: once you put money into the equation, the quality of packages will go down as programmers try to shake as much money out of the users. Compare programs like MATLAB vs GNU Octave or Photoshop vs GIMP for example. > And to get all that, you need a ton of paying users, not a bunch of freeloading tinkerers. Do you really? I mean you are basically saying that the only way linux can compete is if it sacrifices most of what makes it good in the first place. I really doubt that users think "hmm today i'm going to pay for a bunch of crappy apps that each do some trivial thing for me while uploading my data to the cloud, then watch some ads, and then wade through a bunch of graphical menus to disable this one stupid feature I don't like, i love using iWinux this is so much better than other OS's".

hyakosm 6y ago
> There's already GTK and Qt. What more do you want? There's GTK2, GTK3, vanilla Qt, KDE-Qt with additional tooling... The problem in Linux is the lack of integration between these tools. The fragmentation of the GNU/Linux ecosystem forbids the possibility of an unified API like HaikuOS kits. (https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/api/ https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/api/)
- salamandersauce 6y ago
  Doesn't Windows have a similar problem? MFC, WPF, UWP? Plus Qt, GTK too...
mrtranscendence 6y ago
You have a skewed view of what it’s like on Windows or macOS. I certainly haven’t paid for a bunch of crappy, trivial apps — the utilities I use are all free (and don’t upload my data to the cloud, nor make me watch ads). And are you saying that gimp is a superior product to photoshop? It’s not like you can’t get gimp or octave on non-free OSes, but for some (good) reasons illustrators and scientists and engineers choose to pay for photoshop and matlab.

hyakosm 6y ago

> There's already GTK and Qt. What more do you want? There's GTK2, GTK3, vanilla Qt, KDE-Qt with additional tooling... The problem in Linux is the lack of integration between these tools. The fragmentation of the GNU/Linux ecosystem forbids the possibility of an unified API like HaikuOS kits. (https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/api/ https://www.haiku-os.org/docs/api/)

salamandersauce 6y ago
Doesn't Windows have a similar problem? MFC, WPF, UWP? Plus Qt, GTK too...

mrtranscendence 6y ago

You have a skewed view of what it’s like on Windows or macOS. I certainly haven’t paid for a bunch of crappy, trivial apps — the utilities I use are all free (and don’t upload my data to the cloud, nor make me watch ads). And are you saying that gimp is a superior product to photoshop? It’s not like you can’t get gimp or octave on non-free OSes, but for some (good) reasons illustrators and scientists and engineers choose to pay for photoshop and matlab.