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Seems fair, through "less insecure" would be generally more appropriate (independent of it being Zoom). But then I have lost all trust in Zoom due to the histo

Seems fair, through "less insecure" would be generally more appropriate (independent of it being Zoom). But then I have lost all trust in Zoom due to the history involved with it. And I also don't thing Zoom will regain the trust, because due to the way they lost trust again and again and also acted in-honest it's pretty hard for them to convey that they changed (instead of just pretending they did).

jacquesm 6y ago
Same here, zoom is on our 'ban' list. And MS teams is getting there, what a load of crap that is, it is so buggy it is embarrassing.
- _nickwhite 6y ago
  My biggest gripe about Teams is what a memory hog it is. Mine is currently sitting idle (been on vacation all week) at nearly 1GB. Compare this to Zoom, which is idling at just over 100MB. Teams is literally taking up 10 times more RAM than Zoom just running in the background.
  - slaymaker1907 6y ago
    Try disabling GPU acceleration. It seems to speed things up a lot for some reason.
  - DangerousPie 6y ago
    I have never used Teams but is 1GB of memory usage really an issue in 2021, when most laptops have at least 16-32 gigs of memory? It's been years since the last time I actually worried about how much memory some software on my laptop was using.
    - reaperducer 6y ago
      is 1GB of memory usage really an issue in 2021 It isn't if you're on a laptop from 2021. But that vast majority of people aren't. Companies don't provision new computers to their employees every time a new computer comes out. At the companies I've worked for, the minimum refresh time is 3-5 years, depending on tax laws, and financial ability. It's also not a big deal if the computer is only used for Zoom. Most people, whether office drones or developers, run many programs at once.
    - mdaniel 6y ago
      In isolation, maybe not, but I don't get paid to have chat clients or screen share apps run, I get paid to add features or remove bugs from the bazillions of microservices and associated spa, which under ideal conditions requires running them locally. Every byte consumed by something useless is not a tradeoff I endorse. That "ram is cheap and plentiful" is also seriously not true for Mac laptops, which both caps how much one can expand them and also charges unreasonable rates for the additions they do allow
    - ad404b8a372f2b9 6y ago
      Most laptops do not have 16-32gb of ram, even in the high-end range.
    - HaggardFinical 6y ago
      "2021, when most laptops have at least 16-32 gigs of memory" Oh man, I'd love to live in the wonderland where you posted this comment from.
      - netflixandkill 6y ago
        I mean my laptop from 2014 had 32g (and like another 4g on the graphics processor) so that's not exactly outrageous for anyone doing serious work. My laptop from 2019 also had 32g and was less than 2000 usd. Obviously most people don't need that and I'm sympathetic to anyone having to run teams on some shitty IT-provided low cost laptop loaded with 7 different management spyware suites, but 16g-32g is not baller in a limo outrageous.
    - PurpleFoxy 6y ago
      16gb is the standard high end spec, 32gb is the extreme edition which usually costs a fortune and is impossible to convince your company to buy, especially if multiple people need them. On 16GB I was constantly running out of memory at work. It’s not just 1GB it’s 1GB times all the other crap you need running.
  - twobitshifter 6y ago
    In Microsoft’s defense Teams is an electron (or electronesque) app and offers quite a bit more than Zoom in terms of features. The fact that it uses so much RAM is expected when you consider it as another copy of chrome.
    - _underfl0w_ 6y ago
      "Expected" != "Acceptable" though, IMHO.
    - InitialLastName 6y ago
      It boggles me to no end that Microsoft is switching to electron apps even for Windows. You would think that they could write native applications that wouldn't sacrifice stability, performance or functionality the way Teams does for their own operating system.
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - anoncake 6y ago
      I don't see how that's a defense. MS choose to use Electron.
- chollida1 6y ago
  I get that your just some random internet person but I'll bit and assume I'm not being trolled..... what's so bad about team's security that its almost on your ban list?
  - netsec_burn 6y ago
    Why do you assume you are being trolled? And the last wormable, zero click RCE in Microsoft teams was only 4 months ago.
    - chollida1 6y ago
      > Why do you assume you are being trolled? Well I did say I assume I'm not being trolled so I'm not sure what you're referring to. As a teams user I asked a good faith question to try and flesh out her reasons for considering banning Teams. But to give you a reason why someone might assume a troll - random internet stranger - Microsoft mentioned, some people just don't like them as a company - no actual reason given, just a comment with zero supporting evidence. How many more reasons would you like?
  - samus 6y ago
    My company forbids using Teams for data that would be subject to GDPR. Guess they don't trust the Privacy Shield, but it still boggles the mind why we didn't go then for a solution that can be deployed on-premises.
dhosek 6y ago
Exactly. I run zoom on my iOS devices because it's hard to avoid and at least there's the combination of stricter sandboxing/less critical material on the device, but I refuse to run it on my computers because there's so much bad history with the company I don't feel I can trust them.

jacquesm 6y ago

Same here, zoom is on our 'ban' list. And MS teams is getting there, what a load of crap that is, it is so buggy it is embarrassing.

_nickwhite 6y ago
My biggest gripe about Teams is what a memory hog it is. Mine is currently sitting idle (been on vacation all week) at nearly 1GB. Compare this to Zoom, which is idling at just over 100MB. Teams is literally taking up 10 times more RAM than Zoom just running in the background.
- slaymaker1907 6y ago
  Try disabling GPU acceleration. It seems to speed things up a lot for some reason.
- DangerousPie 6y ago
  I have never used Teams but is 1GB of memory usage really an issue in 2021, when most laptops have at least 16-32 gigs of memory? It's been years since the last time I actually worried about how much memory some software on my laptop was using.
  - reaperducer 6y ago
    is 1GB of memory usage really an issue in 2021 It isn't if you're on a laptop from 2021. But that vast majority of people aren't. Companies don't provision new computers to their employees every time a new computer comes out. At the companies I've worked for, the minimum refresh time is 3-5 years, depending on tax laws, and financial ability. It's also not a big deal if the computer is only used for Zoom. Most people, whether office drones or developers, run many programs at once.
  - mdaniel 6y ago
    In isolation, maybe not, but I don't get paid to have chat clients or screen share apps run, I get paid to add features or remove bugs from the bazillions of microservices and associated spa, which under ideal conditions requires running them locally. Every byte consumed by something useless is not a tradeoff I endorse. That "ram is cheap and plentiful" is also seriously not true for Mac laptops, which both caps how much one can expand them and also charges unreasonable rates for the additions they do allow
  - ad404b8a372f2b9 6y ago
    Most laptops do not have 16-32gb of ram, even in the high-end range.
  - HaggardFinical 6y ago
    "2021, when most laptops have at least 16-32 gigs of memory" Oh man, I'd love to live in the wonderland where you posted this comment from.
    - netflixandkill 6y ago
      I mean my laptop from 2014 had 32g (and like another 4g on the graphics processor) so that's not exactly outrageous for anyone doing serious work. My laptop from 2019 also had 32g and was less than 2000 usd. Obviously most people don't need that and I'm sympathetic to anyone having to run teams on some shitty IT-provided low cost laptop loaded with 7 different management spyware suites, but 16g-32g is not baller in a limo outrageous.
  - PurpleFoxy 6y ago
    16gb is the standard high end spec, 32gb is the extreme edition which usually costs a fortune and is impossible to convince your company to buy, especially if multiple people need them. On 16GB I was constantly running out of memory at work. It’s not just 1GB it’s 1GB times all the other crap you need running.
- twobitshifter 6y ago
  In Microsoft’s defense Teams is an electron (or electronesque) app and offers quite a bit more than Zoom in terms of features. The fact that it uses so much RAM is expected when you consider it as another copy of chrome.
  - _underfl0w_ 6y ago
    "Expected" != "Acceptable" though, IMHO.
  - InitialLastName 6y ago
    It boggles me to no end that Microsoft is switching to electron apps even for Windows. You would think that they could write native applications that wouldn't sacrifice stability, performance or functionality the way Teams does for their own operating system.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - anoncake 6y ago
    I don't see how that's a defense. MS choose to use Electron.
chollida1 6y ago
I get that your just some random internet person but I'll bit and assume I'm not being trolled..... what's so bad about team's security that its almost on your ban list?
- netsec_burn 6y ago
  Why do you assume you are being trolled? And the last wormable, zero click RCE in Microsoft teams was only 4 months ago.
  - chollida1 6y ago
    > Why do you assume you are being trolled? Well I did say I assume I'm not being trolled so I'm not sure what you're referring to. As a teams user I asked a good faith question to try and flesh out her reasons for considering banning Teams. But to give you a reason why someone might assume a troll - random internet stranger - Microsoft mentioned, some people just don't like them as a company - no actual reason given, just a comment with zero supporting evidence. How many more reasons would you like?
- samus 6y ago
  My company forbids using Teams for data that would be subject to GDPR. Guess they don't trust the Privacy Shield, but it still boggles the mind why we didn't go then for a solution that can be deployed on-premises.

dhosek 6y ago

Exactly. I run zoom on my iOS devices because it's hard to avoid and at least there's the combination of stricter sandboxing/less critical material on the device, but I refuse to run it on my computers because there's so much bad history with the company I don't feel I can trust them.