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It's quite easy to see a pattern. Same pattern appeared for Cowspiracy [0] and a similar one for The Game Changers [1]. The same pattern can be seen with regar

It's quite easy to see a pattern. Same pattern appeared for Cowspiracy [0] and a similar one for The Game Changers [1]. The same pattern can be seen with regards to pandemic warnings before this one. There's a very strong tendency to do business-as-usual and it's my non-optimistic belief that we will experience empty oceans and complete ecosystem collapse in our lifetime. These events are white swans (just like the pandemic) and it's quite clear that our tendency for response towards white swans is inaction with "educated" dismissal. Ok, they mention empty oceans by 2048, yes the study is applying a linear estimate (as oceans empty there might be some regulation to slow down the curve and the linear estimate is incorrect) but they are just discrediting the study without confirming the trend. What should I believe, that oceans are emptying or flourishing? Should I expect empty oceans in my lifetime or should I leave this worry to other generations? Also, I'd say that linear estimate is a wrong one because depletion can happen exponentially and regulation is just a small damp to an exponential collapse. 0: https://www.cowspiracy.com/ https://www.cowspiracy.com/ 1: https://gamechangersmovie.com/ https://gamechangersmovie.com/

ricardo81 6y ago
> will experience empty oceans and complete ecosystem collapse in our lifetime. This made me feel very uneasy. I believe this is the most important topic of our lifetime, as much as climate change is a major issue, retaining and preserving biodiversity and its 4 billion years of knowledge is surely just as important.
- stemlord 6y ago
  Same, I don't want to spread negativity but I literally have nowhere else in my life to express the fact that I'm seriously considering how I'm going to kill myself when societies begin to starve en masse
wayoutthere 6y ago
China and Japan both view fish as their cultural birthright. Other countries do too, but they’re not vacuuming up the worlds fish. I agree we’re likely to see empty oceans before then — climate change will cause famine in a lot of places, increasing the demand for food (and particularly meat, given how resource-intensive it is). Sure, there are things like lab-grown meat but those aren’t going to be realistic on any scale outside of wealthy western nations. The other ~6 billion people in the world are gonna be totally screwed and that’s going to have consequences to our ecosystems. It’s a nasty feedback loop.
MrsPeaches 6y ago
> These events are white swans These are more "Black Elephants" imho: A Black Elephant, notes Vinay Gupta, ‘is an event which is extremely likely and widely predicted by experts, but people attempt to pass it off as a Black Swan when it finally happens. Usually the experts who had predicted the event – from the economic crisis to pandemic flu—go from being marginalized to being lionized when the problem finally rears its head’ (Gupta, 2009). https://postnormaltim.es/black-elephant https://postnormaltim.es/black-elephant
- knuthsat 6y ago
  Yeah, I guess. I assumed black means completely invisible and unpredictable (do not know what will happen and when), white means we know it can happen but just don't know when exactly will it happen.

ricardo81 6y ago

> will experience empty oceans and complete ecosystem collapse in our lifetime. This made me feel very uneasy. I believe this is the most important topic of our lifetime, as much as climate change is a major issue, retaining and preserving biodiversity and its 4 billion years of knowledge is surely just as important.

stemlord 6y ago
Same, I don't want to spread negativity but I literally have nowhere else in my life to express the fact that I'm seriously considering how I'm going to kill myself when societies begin to starve en masse

wayoutthere 6y ago

China and Japan both view fish as their cultural birthright. Other countries do too, but they’re not vacuuming up the worlds fish. I agree we’re likely to see empty oceans before then — climate change will cause famine in a lot of places, increasing the demand for food (and particularly meat, given how resource-intensive it is). Sure, there are things like lab-grown meat but those aren’t going to be realistic on any scale outside of wealthy western nations. The other ~6 billion people in the world are gonna be totally screwed and that’s going to have consequences to our ecosystems. It’s a nasty feedback loop.

MrsPeaches 6y ago

> These events are white swans These are more "Black Elephants" imho: A Black Elephant, notes Vinay Gupta, ‘is an event which is extremely likely and widely predicted by experts, but people attempt to pass it off as a Black Swan when it finally happens. Usually the experts who had predicted the event – from the economic crisis to pandemic flu—go from being marginalized to being lionized when the problem finally rears its head’ (Gupta, 2009). https://postnormaltim.es/black-elephant https://postnormaltim.es/black-elephant

knuthsat 6y ago
Yeah, I guess. I assumed black means completely invisible and unpredictable (do not know what will happen and when), white means we know it can happen but just don't know when exactly will it happen.