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Is anything preventing us from just getting a line of cargo ships and loading up the patch to be processed on-shore? Currently many ships are being sent empty d

by kgc 6y ago

Is anything preventing us from just getting a line of cargo ships and loading up the patch to be processed on-shore? Currently many ships are being sent empty due to supply issues.

Tistron 6y ago
I think it's probably hard to just pick it up from the ocean. These people are developing tech for it: https://theoceancleanup.com/ https://theoceancleanup.com/
- scotty79 6y ago
  We are picking small fish from the depths of sea that don't want to be picked. I don't imagine this would be way harder. We just need someone willing to pay for it. Maybe we should not allow companies to sell another fishing net unless customer brings the damage one back for exchange? Maybe soft drinks should be sold this way as well? If you are packaging something, you can't sell a packaged good unless you take in used package back. You could start it gradually. To be allowed to sell 100 bottles of Coca Cola, you need to take in at least 10 used plastic bottles of the same volume. There is something like that for car batteries. If I want to buy a car battery I have to bring back my old one. If I don't I have to pay very large fee that I can recover only after I bring back old battery.
  - Tistron 6y ago
    Maybe we are picking small fish, but not with cargo ships. I'd be all for a system with deposits like you describe. Most coke bottle here in Scandinavia at least do have a deposit fee, but it's not significant enough for anyone except children and the homeless to care.
    - scotty79 6y ago
      My idea is that bottling company should be required to buy used bottles off the recycling market to be able to be allowed to sell new bottles. And we should let them figure out what to do with the used bottles. Initially they'll probably resell the used bottles immediately and pass the price onto the consumers. But this will provide solid income stream to recycling companies and some innovative solutions might emerge how to reduce waste or make it more managable.
mrec 6y ago
Fragmented floating waste isn't the easiest stuff to pick up at the best of times, and normal loading equipment (cranes etc) is attached to the dock rather than the ship. Obviously it's not impossible, but I imagine it'd take some serious bespoke engineering and investment.

by kgc 6y ago

Is anything preventing us from just getting a line of cargo ships and loading up the patch to be processed on-shore? Currently many ships are being sent empty due to supply issues.

Tistron 6y ago

I think it's probably hard to just pick it up from the ocean. These people are developing tech for it: https://theoceancleanup.com/ https://theoceancleanup.com/

scotty79 6y ago
We are picking small fish from the depths of sea that don't want to be picked. I don't imagine this would be way harder. We just need someone willing to pay for it. Maybe we should not allow companies to sell another fishing net unless customer brings the damage one back for exchange? Maybe soft drinks should be sold this way as well? If you are packaging something, you can't sell a packaged good unless you take in used package back. You could start it gradually. To be allowed to sell 100 bottles of Coca Cola, you need to take in at least 10 used plastic bottles of the same volume. There is something like that for car batteries. If I want to buy a car battery I have to bring back my old one. If I don't I have to pay very large fee that I can recover only after I bring back old battery.
- Tistron 6y ago
  Maybe we are picking small fish, but not with cargo ships. I'd be all for a system with deposits like you describe. Most coke bottle here in Scandinavia at least do have a deposit fee, but it's not significant enough for anyone except children and the homeless to care.
  - scotty79 6y ago
    My idea is that bottling company should be required to buy used bottles off the recycling market to be able to be allowed to sell new bottles. And we should let them figure out what to do with the used bottles. Initially they'll probably resell the used bottles immediately and pass the price onto the consumers. But this will provide solid income stream to recycling companies and some innovative solutions might emerge how to reduce waste or make it more managable.

mrec 6y ago

Fragmented floating waste isn't the easiest stuff to pick up at the best of times, and normal loading equipment (cranes etc) is attached to the dock rather than the ship. Obviously it's not impossible, but I imagine it'd take some serious bespoke engineering and investment.