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They were stealing the talent.

Daho0n 6y ago
You can't steal people. You can kidnap people and you can hire people. Maybe if you kill them you can steal the body? You sound like an anti-piracy advertisement. "Piracy is theft".
- dgellow 6y ago
  Just to nitpick, because we are on HN: I remember a story of a cartel in Latin America kidnapping networking experts to force them to develop their technology stack. That may count as "stealing" talents? Not sure if that's what I remember, but here is a Wired article: https://www.wired.com/2012/11/zeta-radio/ https://www.wired.com/2012/11/zeta-radio/ Edit: of course I'm not implying that Huawei does this...
- tester34 6y ago
  "steal" is other way of saying "hired" because it feels kinda differently when you want to buy $competitor's top people
  - Daho0n 6y ago
    You can only "buy" top people if your offer is better though. I see nothing wrong in people switching jobs for a better offer. Calling it stealing makes it sound as A Bad Thing while in truth it is a good thing for the person getting hired. If businesses shared the profits equally this wouldn't happen but then we are not in capitalism anymore..
dgellow 6y ago
You mean, paying them well?
- novium 6y ago
  You could make the case that "stealing" talent is in terms of targeting hiring people where the training and research costs were footed by someone else. Then again, as you pointed out, you could also make the case that they weren't properly compensated.
  - ansgri 6y ago
    In Moscow, major Asian companies like Samsung, Huawei, LG all have research centers where they hire some of the best science students from top universities, in particular by organizing joint study programs. This seems to be a widespread practice around the world for them, and actually profitable for both students and universities.
    - throwawaybbqed 6y ago
      Interesting observation about Moscow having a lot of research labs. I never thought to wonder why Moscow had so many but this is an interesting point. What do you mean by join study program? Can you explain? Also, is there anything that stops top talent from moving to Silicon Valley (or some place else?) after they finish school?
      - ansgri 6y ago
        Many top universities here are not like self-contained research universities of the West — they mostly deal with education, and research is conducted at non-educational academic institutions. So, for their Masters work, and maybe earlier, students do research in various organizations that have contracts with university. These are either academic institutions or commercial research departments or tech companies like Yandex. As for SV, it’s not that simple, it seems — most emigrants that I know either got job at something like Swiss Google after building a solid resume here or got into some academic program (PhD or postdoc) abroad.
      - KptMarchewa 6y ago
        >Also, is there anything that stops top talent from moving to Silicon Valley Besides insane US visa policies?
- qiqing 6y ago
  Sometimes, paying people well goes hand in hand with opportunities for growth. The "bamboo ceiling," which is similar to the "glass ceiling" is a source of frustration for some technical employees who find themselves stuck. Diversity and inclusion programs at most companies tend to focus on every demographic bias except for the bamboo ceiling.

You can't steal people. You can kidnap people and you can hire people. Maybe if you kill them you can steal the body? You sound like an anti-piracy advertisement. "Piracy is theft".

dgellow 6y ago
Just to nitpick, because we are on HN: I remember a story of a cartel in Latin America kidnapping networking experts to force them to develop their technology stack. That may count as "stealing" talents? Not sure if that's what I remember, but here is a Wired article: https://www.wired.com/2012/11/zeta-radio/ https://www.wired.com/2012/11/zeta-radio/ Edit: of course I'm not implying that Huawei does this...
tester34 6y ago
"steal" is other way of saying "hired" because it feels kinda differently when you want to buy $competitor's top people
- Daho0n 6y ago
  You can only "buy" top people if your offer is better though. I see nothing wrong in people switching jobs for a better offer. Calling it stealing makes it sound as A Bad Thing while in truth it is a good thing for the person getting hired. If businesses shared the profits equally this wouldn't happen but then we are not in capitalism anymore..

dgellow 6y ago

You mean, paying them well?

novium 6y ago
You could make the case that "stealing" talent is in terms of targeting hiring people where the training and research costs were footed by someone else. Then again, as you pointed out, you could also make the case that they weren't properly compensated.
- ansgri 6y ago
  In Moscow, major Asian companies like Samsung, Huawei, LG all have research centers where they hire some of the best science students from top universities, in particular by organizing joint study programs. This seems to be a widespread practice around the world for them, and actually profitable for both students and universities.
  - throwawaybbqed 6y ago
    Interesting observation about Moscow having a lot of research labs. I never thought to wonder why Moscow had so many but this is an interesting point. What do you mean by join study program? Can you explain? Also, is there anything that stops top talent from moving to Silicon Valley (or some place else?) after they finish school?
    - ansgri 6y ago
      Many top universities here are not like self-contained research universities of the West — they mostly deal with education, and research is conducted at non-educational academic institutions. So, for their Masters work, and maybe earlier, students do research in various organizations that have contracts with university. These are either academic institutions or commercial research departments or tech companies like Yandex. As for SV, it’s not that simple, it seems — most emigrants that I know either got job at something like Swiss Google after building a solid resume here or got into some academic program (PhD or postdoc) abroad.
    - KptMarchewa 6y ago
      >Also, is there anything that stops top talent from moving to Silicon Valley Besides insane US visa policies?
qiqing 6y ago
Sometimes, paying people well goes hand in hand with opportunities for growth. The "bamboo ceiling," which is similar to the "glass ceiling" is a source of frustration for some technical employees who find themselves stuck. Diversity and inclusion programs at most companies tend to focus on every demographic bias except for the bamboo ceiling.