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Alternatively, the police target gangs because they’re concerned with committing crimes that impose harmful externalities on the rest of society.

by 88 5y ago

varispeed 5y ago
Gangs at least here tend to keep it low profile and to themselves. General public only knows there is a gang activity going on from newspapers. Only real problem is that they recruit new people in schools and that is a huge problem for parents, but that does not seem to bother the police. This whole thing is self-inflicted as government created this huge unregulated and untaxed market and it is attractive especially for young people - in their mind this is their only chance at achieving some wealth. If police really bothered about the issue, they would look why gangs exist at all and why politicians created such environment for them to thrive and may be look into all corruption that is going on. Tackling gangs as it is currently done is a fool's errand.
- luckylion 5y ago
  > Gangs at least here tend to keep it low profile and to themselves. Don't know where "here" is, but I'm guessing not in Scandinavia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Biker_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Biker_War Nobody wants that shit in their vicinity, and it's the correct call to crack down on that instead of looking for stolen rucksacks or bikes.
  - varispeed 5y ago
    It's not possible to remove gangs while an incentive of huge unregulated and untaxed market exist. So committing police to that is like trying to fill buckets under a leaking pipe, instead of just cutting off water and fixing it.
    - luckylion 5y ago
      Yeah, let's just regulate and tax the market for stolen bikes. What do we do with people who don't follow the regulation and don't pay the taxes? Obviously we can't use the police, that'd be like trying to fill buckets under a leaking pipe.
      - varispeed 5y ago
        I wanted to say that police focuses on gangs rather than tackling thieves and recovering bikes. But more important would be to change the law so that bike theft is not profitable. For example if someone made X on selling such bikes, they should get custodial sentence so that if you spread X over the years of sentence it will be lower than minimum wage.

Alternatively, the police target gangs because they’re concerned with committing crimes that impose harmful externalities on the rest of society.

by 88 5y ago

Alternatively, the police target gangs because they’re concerned with committing crimes that impose harmful externalities on the rest of society.

varispeed 5y ago

Gangs at least here tend to keep it low profile and to themselves. General public only knows there is a gang activity going on from newspapers. Only real problem is that they recruit new people in schools and that is a huge problem for parents, but that does not seem to bother the police. This whole thing is self-inflicted as government created this huge unregulated and untaxed market and it is attractive especially for young people - in their mind this is their only chance at achieving some wealth. If police really bothered about the issue, they would look why gangs exist at all and why politicians created such environment for them to thrive and may be look into all corruption that is going on. Tackling gangs as it is currently done is a fool's errand.

luckylion 5y ago
> Gangs at least here tend to keep it low profile and to themselves. Don't know where "here" is, but I'm guessing not in Scandinavia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Biker_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Biker_War Nobody wants that shit in their vicinity, and it's the correct call to crack down on that instead of looking for stolen rucksacks or bikes.
- varispeed 5y ago
  It's not possible to remove gangs while an incentive of huge unregulated and untaxed market exist. So committing police to that is like trying to fill buckets under a leaking pipe, instead of just cutting off water and fixing it.
  - luckylion 5y ago
    Yeah, let's just regulate and tax the market for stolen bikes. What do we do with people who don't follow the regulation and don't pay the taxes? Obviously we can't use the police, that'd be like trying to fill buckets under a leaking pipe.
    - varispeed 5y ago
      I wanted to say that police focuses on gangs rather than tackling thieves and recovering bikes. But more important would be to change the law so that bike theft is not profitable. For example if someone made X on selling such bikes, they should get custodial sentence so that if you spread X over the years of sentence it will be lower than minimum wage.