They've more than redeemed themselves for me with their 2020 keyboards though. In direct comparison between my current 2020 Intel 13", my previous late 2013 13"

They've more than redeemed themselves for me with their 2020 keyboards though. In direct comparison between my current 2020 Intel 13", my previous late 2013 13" and a work-issued 2018-ish 13" butterfly MBP, the 2020 wins hands down. Feels mostly like the late 2013, but slightly less mushy, not that I'd ever considered the late 2013 one mushy, but in direct comparison, it's slightly mushier, if that makes sense. That said, I know at least one person who genuinely prefers the butterfly mechanism, there must be dozens such people out there. Edit: The late 2013 one got a new keyboard in early 2020 as part of a inflated battery exchange, so it's not mushy due to wear.