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> are busy kicking out refugees, imposing tough sentences on gang related crime or demanding action against the crime of the week So in your opinion they should

> are busy kicking out refugees, imposing tough sentences on gang related crime or demanding action against the crime of the week So in your opinion they should invest more in petty crimes rather than serious crimes?

bloak 6y ago
The question is how to define "petty" and "serious".
- Daho0n 6y ago
  Sure but could you come up with an example in which organized crime from gangs (theft, robbery, gun and knife violence, drugs, etc.) are less serious than bike theft?
  - brailsafe 6y ago
    Any of those as discrete events would be less serious than distributed commonplace bike thefts. If your region gets such a reputation for petty crime that anyone has a thread of nervousness that they'll be victims when visiting, it's not going to be great for anyone.
  - sokoloff 6y ago
    I can fairly easily argue that drug distribution and sales among consenting people is less serious than bike theft.
    - throwaway59553 6y ago
      If you ignore all the harm and violence caused by drug traffickers to get the drugs, from production to distribution in their final destination, I guess you can pretend it's just an harmless transaction between consenting adults.
      - withinboredom 6y ago
        Where I live (not the US) most recreational drug production, sale, and consumption is legal or at least ignored. However, things like cannabis oil is illegal and not ignored. It’s ridiculous.
      - leetcrew 6y ago
        wouldn't that fall under "gun and knife violence"?
      - nobody9999 6y ago
        >If you ignore all the harm and violence caused by drug traffickers to get the drugs, from production to distribution in their final destination, If such products were legal and regulated, there would be legal avenues (the courts) for disputes to be settled, rather than violence. It's the black market that causes the violence, not the products themselves. Something to consider.
    - Daho0n 6y ago
      Yes I agree drugs should be more free but gangs fight for the territory or rights and innocent people have been killed in the crossfire.
  - AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
    Probably yes. Two gangs fighting over who's entitled to sell drugs on which street are, in some sense, minding their business. A guy who is taking my bike from my home is invading deeply into my territory.
    - Daho0n 6y ago
      Two gangs fighting over territory is what have caused civilians to be caught in the crossfire as long as gangs have existed. One risk civilians getting killed, the other risk you have to pay some of the money for a new bike (because it is insured I hope).
mrweasel 6y ago
I do see your point and,.. sort of yes. It's not like there where no effort made against serious crime before. All new funding is directed at serious crime, and away from the petty stuff. If you're goal is to make people feel safer, then you need to target the petty stuff that people actually experience. Also, much of the petty stuff is only petty because the police view it in isolation. Yeah, so what if my bike is stolen, insurance will deal with that. It's just that when they do catch a bike thief, then it often turns out that the same person stole 200 other bikes. Stealing a 3000DKK bike isn't worth the effort, but it's 50.000 bikes a year, that's an insane amount of money, given that almost no bike is ever returned. I don't care if people on Christiania smokes or sell weed, and nor does most other people. Sure people should not experience gun violence, even in ghetto areas, but you can't direct all policing towards a few specific types of crime. It won't make people feel any safer.
- luckylion 6y ago
  > If you're goal is to make people feel safer, then you need to target the petty stuff that people actually experience. Idk, if I had anti-tank missiles used in my region (like with the Nordic Biker Wars in the 90ies) or hand grenades like in Sweden more recently, I'd feel a lot less safe than if that doesn't happen but bikes are stolen more frequently. People tend to care more about getting shot, stabbed or blown up than about their transportation being stolen. Policies reflect that, imho with good reason.
- throwaway59553 6y ago
  It's obvious that you can't direct 100% of the police's resources to one specific area, but the reason why some people might feel they are not affected by serious crime, or organized crime, is because the consequences of these types of crime are quite serious and therefore should be prevented. It's like saying you don't need a vaccine because you never get sick. Yeah there's a reason for that. So yes, the police should focus more on human and drug traffic than bike theft.

bloak 6y ago

The question is how to define "petty" and "serious".

Daho0n 6y ago
Sure but could you come up with an example in which organized crime from gangs (theft, robbery, gun and knife violence, drugs, etc.) are less serious than bike theft?
- brailsafe 6y ago
  Any of those as discrete events would be less serious than distributed commonplace bike thefts. If your region gets such a reputation for petty crime that anyone has a thread of nervousness that they'll be victims when visiting, it's not going to be great for anyone.
- sokoloff 6y ago
  I can fairly easily argue that drug distribution and sales among consenting people is less serious than bike theft.
  - throwaway59553 6y ago
    If you ignore all the harm and violence caused by drug traffickers to get the drugs, from production to distribution in their final destination, I guess you can pretend it's just an harmless transaction between consenting adults.
    - withinboredom 6y ago
      Where I live (not the US) most recreational drug production, sale, and consumption is legal or at least ignored. However, things like cannabis oil is illegal and not ignored. It’s ridiculous.
    - leetcrew 6y ago
      wouldn't that fall under "gun and knife violence"?
    - nobody9999 6y ago
      >If you ignore all the harm and violence caused by drug traffickers to get the drugs, from production to distribution in their final destination, If such products were legal and regulated, there would be legal avenues (the courts) for disputes to be settled, rather than violence. It's the black market that causes the violence, not the products themselves. Something to consider.
  - Daho0n 6y ago
    Yes I agree drugs should be more free but gangs fight for the territory or rights and innocent people have been killed in the crossfire.
- AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
  Probably yes. Two gangs fighting over who's entitled to sell drugs on which street are, in some sense, minding their business. A guy who is taking my bike from my home is invading deeply into my territory.
  - Daho0n 6y ago
    Two gangs fighting over territory is what have caused civilians to be caught in the crossfire as long as gangs have existed. One risk civilians getting killed, the other risk you have to pay some of the money for a new bike (because it is insured I hope).

mrweasel 6y ago

I do see your point and,.. sort of yes. It's not like there where no effort made against serious crime before. All new funding is directed at serious crime, and away from the petty stuff. If you're goal is to make people feel safer, then you need to target the petty stuff that people actually experience. Also, much of the petty stuff is only petty because the police view it in isolation. Yeah, so what if my bike is stolen, insurance will deal with that. It's just that when they do catch a bike thief, then it often turns out that the same person stole 200 other bikes. Stealing a 3000DKK bike isn't worth the effort, but it's 50.000 bikes a year, that's an insane amount of money, given that almost no bike is ever returned. I don't care if people on Christiania smokes or sell weed, and nor does most other people. Sure people should not experience gun violence, even in ghetto areas, but you can't direct all policing towards a few specific types of crime. It won't make people feel any safer.

luckylion 6y ago
> If you're goal is to make people feel safer, then you need to target the petty stuff that people actually experience. Idk, if I had anti-tank missiles used in my region (like with the Nordic Biker Wars in the 90ies) or hand grenades like in Sweden more recently, I'd feel a lot less safe than if that doesn't happen but bikes are stolen more frequently. People tend to care more about getting shot, stabbed or blown up than about their transportation being stolen. Policies reflect that, imho with good reason.
throwaway59553 6y ago
It's obvious that you can't direct 100% of the police's resources to one specific area, but the reason why some people might feel they are not affected by serious crime, or organized crime, is because the consequences of these types of crime are quite serious and therefore should be prevented. It's like saying you don't need a vaccine because you never get sick. Yeah there's a reason for that. So yes, the police should focus more on human and drug traffic than bike theft.