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Dvtm: A dynamic tiling window manager for the terminal

jitl 6y ago
I skimmed the documentation but wasn’t persuaded that this offers much over how I use TMUX already
- linkdd 6y ago
  tmux is literally the first program I install on a new setup, even before wget.
  - unk 6y ago
    unless you have to wget your tmux source/package ;)
    - linkdd 6y ago
      who said i haven't the tar.gz on a usb stick ready to deploy? :D
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    Same, but Byobu because it has nice defaults for tmux.
- krick 6y ago
  Yeah, my first thought too (well, I guess pretty much everyone's). This seems like "tmux, but less" since tmux is much more than a window manager, and tmux is absolutely not some esoteric software: even if you don't use tmux, you probably know, that if this is something you'd want, you'll install tmux. So, what's the point? Codebase being smaller? I absolutely don't care about the codebase of something I'm not writing myself.
yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
dvtm is very much like dwm, both in some superficial details (layouts), and in deeper philosophical ways (very heavy on doing only one thing well). This is good when you want a small well-scoped tool to do one thing in your stack, but does add friction when you just want everything to work because you need to add more parts to do anything; for instance, dvtm explicitly doesn't handle sessions the way tmux or screen would; you're expected to run with something else (probably abduco) for that. This is not a negative, but it is a tradeoff.
vmchale 6y ago
I get this by default from XMonad though? And I can tile terminals and other things alongside.
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  It's useful when you're not running under X, or for folks who want to tile terminals but not run a tiling window manager.
wantguns 6y ago
how does this bring a better or even a different workflow than tmux ?
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  It's not necessarily better from that perspective; it's a much smaller+simpler tool, and it solves some of the same problems in a different way. But if tmux works for you and you're not on a suckless binge, dvtm probably won't be appealing.
rnhmjoj 6y ago
If you are unsatisfied with tmux and familiar with vi, something worth considering is using abduco and the built-in terminal emulator of vim. It will you give windows, tabs and mouse integration for free, it's just missing a couple of bindings to spawn terminals like: map <silent><C-w>- :split +term<CR> map <silent><C-w>\| :vsplit +term<CR> map <silent><C-w>t :tabnew +term<CR> and the rest you already know.
- rav 6y ago
  Thanks for the pointer to :split +term - I just dug through all of :help terminal. Apparently this is a feature from Vim 8.1 that I had completely missed!
- johncoltrane 6y ago
  Your mappings are for Neovim, not Vim, where :term already splits the window. Here they are, fixed for Vim: nnoremap <silent> <C-w>- :terminal<CR> nnoremap <silent> <C-w>\| :vertical terminal<CR> nnoremap <silent> <C-w>t :tab terminal<CR>
evanrelf 6y ago
I would love to switch from tmux to dvtm + abduco, but dvtm doesn't have 24bit/truecolor support.
- pdimitar 6y ago
  Oops, that's a complete deal-breaker.
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ddevault 6y ago
dvtm is very good in principle, but in practice its terminal emulation leaves a lot to be desired. I would love to see someone refactor it to use, say, libvterm as the terminal backend.
tarkin2 6y ago
I use both gnu screen and dwm as full screen managers. The only exception is vim, where I have a split term: code one side - running program with error output on the other. If I split the screen anymore it becomes both too fiddly and the panes become too small on my 13" screen. Does anyone use three or more split windows? If so, what's in them?
- deadbunny 6y ago
  I can have up to about a dozen on one screen at a time in i3. Granted it's a 1440p ultrawide and some are stacked behind one another. This is of course also a rare occurrence, which indicates I'm trying to work on too much at once. Usually it's more like 4-8 (4 columns, with columns spot one up one down) depends on what I'm working on at the time but usually at the lower wned of that range. I'm a DevOps type so it's usually Terraform which could be a mix of working on a module and "main" TF codebase. One nice thing about my setup is that it gives me 4 side by side 80char wide terminals/vim instances. Then of course I have 2 other screens for browser/Comms. I just can't work on a single tiny laptop screen don't know how people cope!
  - tarkin2 6y ago
    I want to concentrate on my code, and only my code. I only split the coding window since an entire line is too long.
  - williamdclt 6y ago
    > I just can't work on a single tiny laptop screen don't know how people cope! I'm the opposite, I work exclusively on a laptop without external screen and I never understand people with many windows/panes :) I try to limit distractions and I can't stand spending time finding the right window to focus. I have a fullscreen IDE (sometimes split vertically), a fullscreen browser, a fullscreen terminal (iTerm) split in 3 panes, and hotkeys to switch instantly from one to the other. I have other hotkeys to focus other programs (Slack, Datagrip) I don't need to see everything at the same time, that's distracting and I'd rather whatever I'm working on to be fullscreen, I just need everything to be instantly focussable!
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pabs3 6y ago
It would be nice if tabs in all apps and terminals in tmux/screen could be managed by my window manager just as easily as desktop windows.
- vlmutolo 6y ago
  I recently moved over to i3 (actually it's sway on Wayland, but that's beside the point). Before I completed the move, I anticipated that a tiling window manager like i3 would replace most of my use of tmux, at least for my laptop and desktop where I have a regular graphical interface and I'm not on a server somewhere. I was right. Haven't reached for tmux even once since I made the switch. And this is coming from someone who spends probably over 70% of his workday in the terminal using tmux. Having the various shortcuts to move between screens work also work for moving between firefox, zoom, etc is incredible. I'm never going back.
tusqasi 6y ago
This basically is tmux but suckless.
res0nat0r 6y ago
As a 25 year user of GNU screen, can anyone let me know what improvements this would offer me?
max_hammer 6y ago
I recently started using `kitty` terminal emulator. It's very fast and fully customisable.
- kesor 6y ago
  and the first command I run in any new `kitty` window is of course `tmux`.

jitl 6y ago

I skimmed the documentation but wasn’t persuaded that this offers much over how I use TMUX already

linkdd 6y ago
tmux is literally the first program I install on a new setup, even before wget.
- unk 6y ago
  unless you have to wget your tmux source/package ;)
  - linkdd 6y ago
    who said i haven't the tar.gz on a usb stick ready to deploy? :D
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  Same, but Byobu because it has nice defaults for tmux.
krick 6y ago
Yeah, my first thought too (well, I guess pretty much everyone's). This seems like "tmux, but less" since tmux is much more than a window manager, and tmux is absolutely not some esoteric software: even if you don't use tmux, you probably know, that if this is something you'd want, you'll install tmux. So, what's the point? Codebase being smaller? I absolutely don't care about the codebase of something I'm not writing myself.

dvtm is very much like dwm, both in some superficial details (layouts), and in deeper philosophical ways (very heavy on doing only one thing well). This is good when you want a small well-scoped tool to do one thing in your stack, but does add friction when you just want everything to work because you need to add more parts to do anything; for instance, dvtm explicitly doesn't handle sessions the way tmux or screen would; you're expected to run with something else (probably abduco) for that. This is not a negative, but it is a tradeoff.

vmchale 6y ago

I get this by default from XMonad though? And I can tile terminals and other things alongside.

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
It's useful when you're not running under X, or for folks who want to tile terminals but not run a tiling window manager.

wantguns 6y ago

how does this bring a better or even a different workflow than tmux ?

yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
It's not necessarily better from that perspective; it's a much smaller+simpler tool, and it solves some of the same problems in a different way. But if tmux works for you and you're not on a suckless binge, dvtm probably won't be appealing.

rnhmjoj 6y ago

If you are unsatisfied with tmux and familiar with vi, something worth considering is using abduco and the built-in terminal emulator of vim. It will you give windows, tabs and mouse integration for free, it's just missing a couple of bindings to spawn terminals like: map <silent><C-w>- :split +term<CR> map <silent><C-w>\| :vsplit +term<CR> map <silent><C-w>t :tabnew +term<CR> and the rest you already know.

rav 6y ago
Thanks for the pointer to :split +term - I just dug through all of :help terminal. Apparently this is a feature from Vim 8.1 that I had completely missed!
johncoltrane 6y ago
Your mappings are for Neovim, not Vim, where :term already splits the window. Here they are, fixed for Vim: nnoremap <silent> <C-w>- :terminal<CR> nnoremap <silent> <C-w>\| :vertical terminal<CR> nnoremap <silent> <C-w>t :tab terminal<CR>

evanrelf 6y ago

I would love to switch from tmux to dvtm + abduco, but dvtm doesn't have 24bit/truecolor support.

pdimitar 6y ago
Oops, that's a complete deal-breaker.

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ddevault 6y ago

dvtm is very good in principle, but in practice its terminal emulation leaves a lot to be desired. I would love to see someone refactor it to use, say, libvterm as the terminal backend.

tarkin2 6y ago

I use both gnu screen and dwm as full screen managers. The only exception is vim, where I have a split term: code one side - running program with error output on the other. If I split the screen anymore it becomes both too fiddly and the panes become too small on my 13" screen. Does anyone use three or more split windows? If so, what's in them?

deadbunny 6y ago
I can have up to about a dozen on one screen at a time in i3. Granted it's a 1440p ultrawide and some are stacked behind one another. This is of course also a rare occurrence, which indicates I'm trying to work on too much at once. Usually it's more like 4-8 (4 columns, with columns spot one up one down) depends on what I'm working on at the time but usually at the lower wned of that range. I'm a DevOps type so it's usually Terraform which could be a mix of working on a module and "main" TF codebase. One nice thing about my setup is that it gives me 4 side by side 80char wide terminals/vim instances. Then of course I have 2 other screens for browser/Comms. I just can't work on a single tiny laptop screen don't know how people cope!
- tarkin2 6y ago
  I want to concentrate on my code, and only my code. I only split the coding window since an entire line is too long.
- williamdclt 6y ago
  > I just can't work on a single tiny laptop screen don't know how people cope! I'm the opposite, I work exclusively on a laptop without external screen and I never understand people with many windows/panes :) I try to limit distractions and I can't stand spending time finding the right window to focus. I have a fullscreen IDE (sometimes split vertically), a fullscreen browser, a fullscreen terminal (iTerm) split in 3 panes, and hotkeys to switch instantly from one to the other. I have other hotkeys to focus other programs (Slack, Datagrip) I don't need to see everything at the same time, that's distracting and I'd rather whatever I'm working on to be fullscreen, I just need everything to be instantly focussable!

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pabs3 6y ago

It would be nice if tabs in all apps and terminals in tmux/screen could be managed by my window manager just as easily as desktop windows.

vlmutolo 6y ago
I recently moved over to i3 (actually it's sway on Wayland, but that's beside the point). Before I completed the move, I anticipated that a tiling window manager like i3 would replace most of my use of tmux, at least for my laptop and desktop where I have a regular graphical interface and I'm not on a server somewhere. I was right. Haven't reached for tmux even once since I made the switch. And this is coming from someone who spends probably over 70% of his workday in the terminal using tmux. Having the various shortcuts to move between screens work also work for moving between firefox, zoom, etc is incredible. I'm never going back.

tusqasi 6y ago

This basically is tmux but suckless.

res0nat0r 6y ago

As a 25 year user of GNU screen, can anyone let me know what improvements this would offer me?

max_hammer 6y ago

I recently started using `kitty` terminal emulator. It's very fast and fully customisable.

kesor 6y ago
and the first command I run in any new `kitty` window is of course `tmux`.