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We need to be clear - 15 is 2x minimum wage. And minimum wage affects everyone. So these politicos and others even here should probably do a bit more to help w

We need to be clear - 15 is 2x minimum wage. And minimum wage affects everyone. So these politicos and others even here should probably do a bit more to help workers get the Amazon minimum before trashing Amazon? The “egregious” conduct is a USPS mailbox? Kind of pathetic It’s this weird world where Amazon is described as a hell hole and the three layer deep cleaning contractor workforce paying actual min wage and plenty of other crap jobs get a pass

taurath 5y ago
Sorry, who's favorable to the amazon unionization push that is giving a pass to minimum wage three layer deep contractor workforces? This is not the argument anyone is making. They want better working conditions for everyone. There is extremely good documentation on Amazon low-end workforce abusive practices. Not being able to take bathroom breaks as a driver or warehouse worker because the quota is set too high is a problem. Just having slightly higher than federal minimum wage does not solve those problems. Working at amazon fulfillment centers IS a bit of a hell hole. The contractor workforces are also hellholes. Poverty in the US is a hell hole. Amazon should not be defended, they should be forced to treat workers with human dignity and respect, because clearly they nor their three layer deep cleaning contractor workforce peers will do it otherwise.
- random5634 5y ago
  The way to help everyone is to raise the minimum wage - let’s do that. Let’s increase social safety net which helps everyone. Continue to expand Obamacare even. Consider basic universal income. Lots of ideas help far more than having a few companies unionize
  - taurath 5y ago
    All for it. Also workplace protections with teeth.
  - pas 5y ago
    The minimum wage in itself doesn't help. [0] Real wage increase is needed. Also tangentially related: https://stayathomemacro.substack.com/p/racism-skews-our-beliefs-about-whats https://stayathomemacro.substack.com/p/racism-skews-our-beli... [0] "In the long-run, however, employers have far more flexibility. They can replace labor with capital. They can replace low-skilled workers with higher-skilled workers." - https://www.econlib.org/archives/2017/07/minimally_convi.html https://www.econlib.org/archives/2017/07/minimally_convi.htm... (note, Caplan is a libertarian)

taurath 5y ago

Sorry, who's favorable to the amazon unionization push that is giving a pass to minimum wage three layer deep contractor workforces? This is not the argument anyone is making. They want better working conditions for everyone. There is extremely good documentation on Amazon low-end workforce abusive practices. Not being able to take bathroom breaks as a driver or warehouse worker because the quota is set too high is a problem. Just having slightly higher than federal minimum wage does not solve those problems. Working at amazon fulfillment centers IS a bit of a hell hole. The contractor workforces are also hellholes. Poverty in the US is a hell hole. Amazon should not be defended, they should be forced to treat workers with human dignity and respect, because clearly they nor their three layer deep cleaning contractor workforce peers will do it otherwise.

random5634 5y ago
The way to help everyone is to raise the minimum wage - let’s do that. Let’s increase social safety net which helps everyone. Continue to expand Obamacare even. Consider basic universal income. Lots of ideas help far more than having a few companies unionize
- taurath 5y ago
  All for it. Also workplace protections with teeth.
- pas 5y ago
  The minimum wage in itself doesn't help. [0] Real wage increase is needed. Also tangentially related: https://stayathomemacro.substack.com/p/racism-skews-our-beliefs-about-whats https://stayathomemacro.substack.com/p/racism-skews-our-beli... [0] "In the long-run, however, employers have far more flexibility. They can replace labor with capital. They can replace low-skilled workers with higher-skilled workers." - https://www.econlib.org/archives/2017/07/minimally_convi.html https://www.econlib.org/archives/2017/07/minimally_convi.htm... (note, Caplan is a libertarian)