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Most of what you describe there is Kubernetes. > the near-oneness of kubernetes and CNI This is not something that can be blamed on CNI. We keep strictly even

Most of what you describe there is Kubernetes. > the near-oneness of kubernetes and CNI This is not something that can be blamed on CNI. We keep strictly even-handed.

hardwaresofton 5y ago
True there is a certain bit of mis-attribution but I think others are lumping them together as well right now. It's easy for me to sit back and say it now, but I think CNI could have done more to obscure/shift away from the underlying complexity. To lean off my armchair a bit and offer some parallel work -- I was pretty impressed with the design goals/interface of Ouroboros[0][1]. There just needs to be more projects (nomad is one of them) that are adopting CNI and simpler than k8s. [0]: https://archive.fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/ipc/ https://archive.fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/ipc/ [1]: https://ouroboros.rocks/ https://ouroboros.rocks/
- bboreham 5y ago
  Yeah, the project could have been completely different. And the CNI marketing department sucks :-) Like most things in Open Source, it’s a product of whoever showed up to do some work.
  - hardwaresofton 5y ago
    Do want to take this change to thank you for you and your teams' work on this throughout the years though, I am very grateful for the CNI existing and the foundational work ya'll have done over the years. Weaveworks has also been supporting/crafting/pushing the limits in what networking (and the CNI of course) on Kubernetes could be from near the beginning. Was a treat to hear Alexis talk about the company on the Kubernetes podcast[0] (I just saw that part 2 is out, listening to it now!). I looked back in my YT history and you show up there three times (lots more videos with other folks from weaveworks): Cortex - Infinitely Scalable Prometheus[1] How We Used Jaeger and Prometheus to Deliver Lightning-Fast User Queries[2] Golang UK Conference 2016 - Bryan Boreham - An Actor Model in Go[3] Thanks for all the knowledge over the years. [0]: https://kubernetespodcast.com/ https://kubernetespodcast.com/ [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyN40FsRQEo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyN40FsRQEo [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg0ENOdP1Lo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg0ENOdP1Lo [3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCbon_9yGVs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCbon_9yGVs
    - bboreham 5y ago
      Thank you for your kind words. Most of the credit for the CNI project should go to CoreOS, now Red Hat, folks.

Most of what you describe there is Kubernetes. > the near-oneness of kubernetes and CNI This is not something that can be blamed on CNI. We keep strictly even-handed.

hardwaresofton 5y ago

True there is a certain bit of mis-attribution but I think others are lumping them together as well right now. It's easy for me to sit back and say it now, but I think CNI could have done more to obscure/shift away from the underlying complexity. To lean off my armchair a bit and offer some parallel work -- I was pretty impressed with the design goals/interface of Ouroboros[0][1]. There just needs to be more projects (nomad is one of them) that are adopting CNI and simpler than k8s. [0]: https://archive.fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/ipc/ https://archive.fosdem.org/2018/schedule/event/ipc/ [1]: https://ouroboros.rocks/ https://ouroboros.rocks/

bboreham 5y ago
Yeah, the project could have been completely different. And the CNI marketing department sucks :-) Like most things in Open Source, it’s a product of whoever showed up to do some work.
- hardwaresofton 5y ago
  Do want to take this change to thank you for you and your teams' work on this throughout the years though, I am very grateful for the CNI existing and the foundational work ya'll have done over the years. Weaveworks has also been supporting/crafting/pushing the limits in what networking (and the CNI of course) on Kubernetes could be from near the beginning. Was a treat to hear Alexis talk about the company on the Kubernetes podcast[0] (I just saw that part 2 is out, listening to it now!). I looked back in my YT history and you show up there three times (lots more videos with other folks from weaveworks): Cortex - Infinitely Scalable Prometheus[1] How We Used Jaeger and Prometheus to Deliver Lightning-Fast User Queries[2] Golang UK Conference 2016 - Bryan Boreham - An Actor Model in Go[3] Thanks for all the knowledge over the years. [0]: https://kubernetespodcast.com/ https://kubernetespodcast.com/ [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyN40FsRQEo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyN40FsRQEo [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg0ENOdP1Lo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg0ENOdP1Lo [3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCbon_9yGVs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCbon_9yGVs
  - bboreham 5y ago
    Thank you for your kind words. Most of the credit for the CNI project should go to CoreOS, now Red Hat, folks.