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Even if you move your hands (gasp) off the keyboard to the trackpad or the mouse that is presumably very close by, typing that command is probably not faster an

Even if you move your hands (gasp) off the keyboard to the trackpad or the mouse that is presumably very close by, typing that command is probably not faster and more convenient than double-clicking.

saurik 6y ago
The real problem is navigating to the file... I can tab complete or otherwise hop my way around my hard drive much faster than I can visually find a target to click on (and frankly I am shocked that isn't true of everyone who knows how to use a terminal--obviously I appreciate the "easy for beginners" aspect--I feel like the GUI could only possibly be faster for a contrived use case that would never come up in reality... oh, I have one: if the files you are organizing are all images and they have useful previews! I totally use the GUI file manager to organize photo albums... but of course I am barely using the mouse as I do so ;P).
- noisem4ker 6y ago
  GUI does not imply mouse-only interaction. Any good file manager will let you browse using the keyboard, with typeahead for file selection and accelerators for the context menu.
systemvoltage 6y ago
Yes. I am a huge CLI nerd, yet, I cannot be dishonest with myself - GUI is faster in a lot of things. When copying files from one directory to the other - CLI vs GUI is debatable in terms of speed (I'd still say GUI is faster, but let's assume its debatable). But what if I want 1, 2, 5, 7 and 10th file; not all files? It is remarkably faster in GUI: Ctrl + click files I need and drag+drop. Done. Good luck fumbling around with CLI. CLI nerds are the most annoying people I've encountered. They're myopically obsessed with their tmux + cli workspace and are not open minded.
- galangalalgol 6y ago
  I like cli for navigating directories, and finding and moving files. Using a graphical file manager feels clunky to me. I do use a gui for other things, like I finally switched from vim to vscode, but file management has always felt more natural in the cli.
userbinator 6y ago
I can type over 120WPM --- that's less than 100ms per key. I would've been able to type open and tab-complete the filename in the time it takes to move my hand over to the mouse, move the mouse to the right file, and double-click. The mouse is close, but not as close as the keys under my fingertips.

Even if you move your hands (gasp) off the keyboard to the trackpad or the mouse that is presumably very close by, typing that command is probably not faster and more convenient than double-clicking.

saurik 6y ago

The real problem is navigating to the file... I can tab complete or otherwise hop my way around my hard drive much faster than I can visually find a target to click on (and frankly I am shocked that isn't true of everyone who knows how to use a terminal--obviously I appreciate the "easy for beginners" aspect--I feel like the GUI could only possibly be faster for a contrived use case that would never come up in reality... oh, I have one: if the files you are organizing are all images and they have useful previews! I totally use the GUI file manager to organize photo albums... but of course I am barely using the mouse as I do so ;P).

noisem4ker 6y ago
GUI does not imply mouse-only interaction. Any good file manager will let you browse using the keyboard, with typeahead for file selection and accelerators for the context menu.

systemvoltage 6y ago

Yes. I am a huge CLI nerd, yet, I cannot be dishonest with myself - GUI is faster in a lot of things. When copying files from one directory to the other - CLI vs GUI is debatable in terms of speed (I'd still say GUI is faster, but let's assume its debatable). But what if I want 1, 2, 5, 7 and 10th file; not all files? It is remarkably faster in GUI: Ctrl + click files I need and drag+drop. Done. Good luck fumbling around with CLI. CLI nerds are the most annoying people I've encountered. They're myopically obsessed with their tmux + cli workspace and are not open minded.

galangalalgol 6y ago
I like cli for navigating directories, and finding and moving files. Using a graphical file manager feels clunky to me. I do use a gui for other things, like I finally switched from vim to vscode, but file management has always felt more natural in the cli.

userbinator 6y ago

I can type over 120WPM --- that's less than 100ms per key. I would've been able to type open and tab-complete the filename in the time it takes to move my hand over to the mouse, move the mouse to the right file, and double-click. The mouse is close, but not as close as the keys under my fingertips.