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>Drug dogs are bullshit, but they're still everywhere. [1] Just because some abuse them and have no proper training doesn't mean they are fake. You clearly hav

by Daho0n 6y ago

>Drug dogs are bullshit, but they're still everywhere. [1] Just because some abuse them and have no proper training doesn't mean they are fake. You clearly have never seen a police dog work. They are able to find dead people, drugs, etc. that is at the bottom of the sea or follow the path the target took while inside a car. What is BS is the "police" and justice system in the US.

samatman 6y ago
This is a misunderstanding of why "drug dogs are bullshit". Yes, dogs are capable of sniffing out people, animals, and substances. This has been made use of for centuries. Dogs are also capable of "hitting" on the trunk of a car, just because they guess that their master wants to look inside it. Plenty of evidence that this happens all the time. Which undermines the right protecting against unreasonable search and seizure. All you have to do is be the wrong color, or driving in a "suspicious" way (which means whatever police want it to mean), and they can bring a K9 by, the dog will dutifully point at the trunk, and the cops get their search. It's no different from the "I smelled pot" routine: there aren't any penalties to the police for doing an "I smelled pot" search and not finding cannabis, and there are no consequences for a K9 'hitting' on a trunk which turns out to have nothing more interesting than a gym bag.
- Daho0n 6y ago
  That is a very convoluted way of stating that police dog handlers in the US are as bad as the rest of the US police. It is not that "drug dogs are BS" but that "US police have a huge problem and it includes their use of drug dogs".
rStar 6y ago
drug dogs usefulness to law enforcement, almost exclusively, are as machines to manufacture probable cause on command. As this is how they’re used, “bullshit” is far too kind a descriptor.
- Daho0n 6y ago
  In the US perhaps.
Enginerrrd 6y ago
Just because one drug dog might actually work doesn't mean that, on average, they and their handlers are performing to standard sufficient for probable cause.
- Daho0n 6y ago
  I'm aware that there are huge problems with police training and integrity in the US but that isn't a problem with drug dogs. That is a problem with the training and integrity of their handlers.
not1ofU 6y ago
I love dogs, I also used to love weed. I had planned a trip to a far away country for the New year. I left my country of origin on a short flyover to meet with friends and catch main flight to destination. I was absolutly smashed from smoking 2 joints before getting on the plane (outside the main door of the airport). When I arrived I walked through bagage area, with no baggage to collect as it was going straight to the final destination. I spied a dog, and made a beeline to say hello. I had fun playing with the dog and just as I was walking away I could feel this burning feeling that someone was giving me the evil eye. I turned around and followed the dogs lead to the owner, who was a fair way away, and dressed in a high-vis jacket. I continued on without thinking about it, until i started to think about it. Lets just say the next couple of hours waiting for my friends was not so pleasant. (I wasnt carrying anything, but still).

by Daho0n 6y ago

samatman 6y ago

This is a misunderstanding of why "drug dogs are bullshit". Yes, dogs are capable of sniffing out people, animals, and substances. This has been made use of for centuries. Dogs are also capable of "hitting" on the trunk of a car, just because they guess that their master wants to look inside it. Plenty of evidence that this happens all the time. Which undermines the right protecting against unreasonable search and seizure. All you have to do is be the wrong color, or driving in a "suspicious" way (which means whatever police want it to mean), and they can bring a K9 by, the dog will dutifully point at the trunk, and the cops get their search. It's no different from the "I smelled pot" routine: there aren't any penalties to the police for doing an "I smelled pot" search and not finding cannabis, and there are no consequences for a K9 'hitting' on a trunk which turns out to have nothing more interesting than a gym bag.

Daho0n 6y ago
That is a very convoluted way of stating that police dog handlers in the US are as bad as the rest of the US police. It is not that "drug dogs are BS" but that "US police have a huge problem and it includes their use of drug dogs".

rStar 6y ago

drug dogs usefulness to law enforcement, almost exclusively, are as machines to manufacture probable cause on command. As this is how they’re used, “bullshit” is far too kind a descriptor.

Daho0n 6y ago
In the US perhaps.

Enginerrrd 6y ago

Just because one drug dog might actually work doesn't mean that, on average, they and their handlers are performing to standard sufficient for probable cause.

Daho0n 6y ago
I'm aware that there are huge problems with police training and integrity in the US but that isn't a problem with drug dogs. That is a problem with the training and integrity of their handlers.

not1ofU 6y ago

I love dogs, I also used to love weed. I had planned a trip to a far away country for the New year. I left my country of origin on a short flyover to meet with friends and catch main flight to destination. I was absolutly smashed from smoking 2 joints before getting on the plane (outside the main door of the airport). When I arrived I walked through bagage area, with no baggage to collect as it was going straight to the final destination. I spied a dog, and made a beeline to say hello. I had fun playing with the dog and just as I was walking away I could feel this burning feeling that someone was giving me the evil eye. I turned around and followed the dogs lead to the owner, who was a fair way away, and dressed in a high-vis jacket. I continued on without thinking about it, until i started to think about it. Lets just say the next couple of hours waiting for my friends was not so pleasant. (I wasnt carrying anything, but still).