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> For example, on my German layout, / is produced via Shift+7. This is my #1 annoyance with German keyboards as someone who learned a UK layout and who needs t
by sleavey 6y ago
> For example, on my German layout, / is produced via Shift+7.
This is my #1 annoyance with German keyboards as someone who learned a UK layout and who needs to do lots of programming and terminal hacking (#2 is the swapping of Y and Z). I take it this layout was invented before Unix and its heavy use of forward slashes, but it does show how shortcuts are rather discriminatory. I know more than a few Germans who use UK or US keyboards because they dislike this unhappy feature.
- young_unixer 6y agoI'm Chilean and I use the ANSI US layout because /, < and > are much easier to type than using ISO keyboards. When I need to type Spanish characters like áéíóú, ñ, etc. I switch to latin american ISO layout using WIN + Spacebar and then switch back.
- Svip 6y agoWhy not just use US Intl, and use ALT GR to produce á, é, í, ó, ú and ñ, along with æ, ø and å? I have a strange ISO/ANSI US keyboard, with an ANSI left shift and an ISO enter key.
- young_unixer 6y agoI didn't know about the US intl layout when I decided to make the switch, and I don't know if it's worth to learn it now.
- Svip 6y agoI used to switch between US and DK layouts, it's just so much easier to just have one layout. In my opinion, learning US Intl is worth it. Besides, it's pretty predictable for Spanish characters: á = altgr+a, é = altgr+e and so on.
- type0 6y agoYeah it's great for Spanish. But I found that knowing (and using) native layout is more valuable to me because when I need to type on someone else's keyboard I'm not lost and can still touch type. If you never need to do this US international is indeed superior layout. Trying to remember more than two layouts becomes confusing very fast. AZERTY and QWERZ are the two worst ones, fortunately I never need to use those.
- Symbiote 6y agoThe British/Irish ISO layouts are reasonable. They are very close to the US layout, but gain the additional key.
- numpad0 6y agoI don’t think UK/ISO and US are close? Especially backquote between LShift and Z feels awkward if you’re used to ANSI.
- Symbiote 6y agoThese keys are in different positions: "@#~\| These keys are present on the UK keyboard, but not the US: £¬ Compared to every other common ISO keyboard layout, ISO UK and ANSI are very similar. For non-programmers, ", @ and (nowadays) # are the ones that matter. For a programmer used to an ISO keyboard, the UK layout may well be a better choice than the US ANSI one. (US ISO would be a good choice, but the extra key seems to duplicate symbols already present on the layout).
- lxgr 6y ago> I take it this layout was invented before Unix and its heavy use of forward slashes My guess would be that Unix chose many of its special characters and keyboard shortcuts precisely because they were easy to type on a US keyboard.
- sdlion 6y agoSame problem with latin american keyboards found just a few kilometers south the US. If I remember correctly, the default modifier key in VIM is next to imposible to press on a l-a keyboard. It was ` ?
- toxik 6y agoYou mean the default prefix key. You really really don’t need to use prefix keys, like at all, in normal Vim use.
- scns 6y agoCheck out the neo layout, optimized for programming, writing german and english.
- sleavey 6y agoI solved it by buying a UK layout keyboard for home. At work I confuse the hell out of people by using a German keyboard but UK layout.
- mqus 6y agoIn intellij this was a bit frustrating to me, you can do ctrl-shift-`/` to block-comment (in german keyboard: ctrl+shift+shift+7). How do I double-shift? I know you can configure that in IJ but I'm too lazy to do that, especially if there are many keys to remap. So now I have a keyboard with UK Layout.