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China's population is well over 1.4 billion. They need to create new jobs every year with the same rate that some countries do in a decade. I think it's pretty

by stunt 6y ago

China's population is well over 1.4 billion. They need to create new jobs every year with the same rate that some countries do in a decade. I think it's pretty significant that they are able to run a country with that demographics most of whom were not even educated. China still benefits from its US relationship overall. The US does benefit too, but the US also wants to slow down their growth because it's a big threat to its power. I think everything else like human rights issues are just BS. We're partner with most of Arabian countries in the Middle East and we have active arms sell to them including Saudis which are far worst than China in terms of democracy and human rights.

Layke1123 6y ago
I am upvoting this because you will undoubtedly get downvoted for this kind of criticism against the capitalistic empire of the US, but let's not mince words. The US has been years ahead of China in human rights' violations as you directly mention. It's a shame that this website is more acknowledging of said fact.
- systemvoltage 6y ago
  HN has a strong bias towards criticism of US policy, but that's actually good because we need to fix our stuff as well. It gets caught in the crossfire, sheds light and puts public eyes on shitty things we do in the USA. It's a win-win. City dwellers and highly educated people in the US (HN crowd essentially) are internationalized, but lately trying to be more fair to criticisms of CCP just for the sake of being "balanced". Truth prevails at the end of the day. What you're saying is true though. Are there 2 million people in reducation camps in the US based on ethnicity?
  - thatcat 6y ago
    No, but maybe more in prison for victimless crimes and those prisoners are disproportional of minority ethnicity.
  - Daho0n 6y ago
    >HN has a strong bias towards criticism of US policy You must read another HN than I do. I see a HN that is extremely pro-US and anti-PRC. So much so that a random American can pull stuff out his ass about Chinese education and get upvoted while the person living in China gets downvoted for disagreeing. Search this thread for PISA test and see the comments above... >Are there 2 million people in reducation camps in the US based on ethnicity? Have you not seen the historic and current state of blacks incarcerated in the US and how policy is made specifically to criminalise some skin colors and cultures? Some states have as high as 72% black population in prisons. Not to mention all the medicinally experimentation done on poor and/or black people in the US through time. Even if we had been without those today it is still a crazy comparison. If country A have been a highly developed country for hundreds of years and they then point fingers of country B and C who is not only all the way to where A is yet but have also been highly developed for way less time then you are comparing apples to pumpkins.
    - Layke1123 6y ago
      Join me on the downvote train. Where Hacker News explicitly likes to downvote us without any accountability. I suspect this is why Reddit is a much more diverse group of people than here.
      - Daho0n 6y ago
        Yes while a lot of bad things can be said about Reddit I'm also convinced it is a lot more diverse. I'm not a Reddit user though. Too much meddling by admins and too much tracking.
  - Layke1123 6y ago
    See the other replies about mass incarceration based on skin color. At least China is figuring terrorism without dropping bombs on people they don't like.
igravious 6y ago
> run a country with that demographics most of whom were not even educated. PISA 2018 results “The OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) examines what students know in reading, mathematics and science, and what they can do with what they know. It provides the most comprehensive and rigorous international assessment of student learning outcomes to date. Results from PISA indicate the quality and equity of learning outcomes attained around the world, and allow educators and policy makers to learn from the policies and practices applied in other countries. This is one of six volumes that present the results of the PISA 2018 survey, the seventh round of the triennial assessment.” https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA-results_ENGLISH.png https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA-results_ENGLISH.png These latest results have various parts of China‡ in #1 position, the USA in #13 ‡ It is true that the sub-regions looked at are Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu, and Zhejiang. The 2021 results have been postponed until 2022 for obvious reasons.
- tmathmeyer 6y ago
  They picked the two richest cities and the two richest provinces in the whole country to do the study on, and you're extrapolating those numbers across the rest?
azurezyq 6y ago
> I think it's pretty significant that they are able to run a country with that demographics most of whom were not even educated. Citation needed :) As a Chinese native who has friends in almost all provinces across China, I just don't see Chinese is less educated than US. Same K-12 education for almost all (exceptions are rare).
- carmen_sandiego 6y ago
  Eh, you're posting on HN in fluent English. Your personal friend group is probably nothing close to what's average in China. It's a straightforward sampling bias. Did you go to a Western university? A good one? And now work at some Western company? You can add atypical points for all of those. Most of the Chinese people I know are fine in terms of education, around the same as any other demographic. But most of them I know from a top European university, or from highly skilled work in China. Most of China is not like that at all.
  - cambalache 6y ago
    I am really interested on your well researched work on this topic. Can you share a link to your book or articles? It is especially surprising given that last results indicate Chinese children consistently beating American(among the worst performers in OECD) kids in all academic categories. https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/pisa-test-china?rebelltitem=2#rebelltitem2 https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/pisa-test-chin...
  - azurezyq 6y ago
    I'm currently working in the bay area but I got my master degree in China and never attended any colleges in the west. I was born in a city ranked 45th in China by population (from wikipedia). K-12 is 100%. My grandpa lives in a very small village with annual income just a few thousand dollars, K-12 is also 100%. My close cousins come from the same small village, now bank staffs and doctors. I have friends who's family so poor that the roof got torn away by a typhoon. And I have friends whose parents are simply peasants. My friend group is definitely biased since I graduated from one of the top universities, but they are selected by exams, so many families are actually not wealthy. In China money usually cannot help you directly on exams, people need to study hard. Hmm, another thing I'm curious is that what gives the original post the impression that "Chinese people are uneducated". That's a rare heard haha.

by stunt 6y ago

Layke1123 6y ago

I am upvoting this because you will undoubtedly get downvoted for this kind of criticism against the capitalistic empire of the US, but let's not mince words. The US has been years ahead of China in human rights' violations as you directly mention. It's a shame that this website is more acknowledging of said fact.

systemvoltage 6y ago
HN has a strong bias towards criticism of US policy, but that's actually good because we need to fix our stuff as well. It gets caught in the crossfire, sheds light and puts public eyes on shitty things we do in the USA. It's a win-win. City dwellers and highly educated people in the US (HN crowd essentially) are internationalized, but lately trying to be more fair to criticisms of CCP just for the sake of being "balanced". Truth prevails at the end of the day. What you're saying is true though. Are there 2 million people in reducation camps in the US based on ethnicity?
- thatcat 6y ago
  No, but maybe more in prison for victimless crimes and those prisoners are disproportional of minority ethnicity.
- Daho0n 6y ago
  >HN has a strong bias towards criticism of US policy You must read another HN than I do. I see a HN that is extremely pro-US and anti-PRC. So much so that a random American can pull stuff out his ass about Chinese education and get upvoted while the person living in China gets downvoted for disagreeing. Search this thread for PISA test and see the comments above... >Are there 2 million people in reducation camps in the US based on ethnicity? Have you not seen the historic and current state of blacks incarcerated in the US and how policy is made specifically to criminalise some skin colors and cultures? Some states have as high as 72% black population in prisons. Not to mention all the medicinally experimentation done on poor and/or black people in the US through time. Even if we had been without those today it is still a crazy comparison. If country A have been a highly developed country for hundreds of years and they then point fingers of country B and C who is not only all the way to where A is yet but have also been highly developed for way less time then you are comparing apples to pumpkins.
  - Layke1123 6y ago
    Join me on the downvote train. Where Hacker News explicitly likes to downvote us without any accountability. I suspect this is why Reddit is a much more diverse group of people than here.
    - Daho0n 6y ago
      Yes while a lot of bad things can be said about Reddit I'm also convinced it is a lot more diverse. I'm not a Reddit user though. Too much meddling by admins and too much tracking.
- Layke1123 6y ago
  See the other replies about mass incarceration based on skin color. At least China is figuring terrorism without dropping bombs on people they don't like.

igravious 6y ago

> run a country with that demographics most of whom were not even educated. PISA 2018 results “The OECD Programme for International Student Assessment (PISA) examines what students know in reading, mathematics and science, and what they can do with what they know. It provides the most comprehensive and rigorous international assessment of student learning outcomes to date. Results from PISA indicate the quality and equity of learning outcomes attained around the world, and allow educators and policy makers to learn from the policies and practices applied in other countries. This is one of six volumes that present the results of the PISA 2018 survey, the seventh round of the triennial assessment.” https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA-results_ENGLISH.png https://www.oecd.org/pisa/PISA-results_ENGLISH.png These latest results have various parts of China‡ in #1 position, the USA in #13 ‡ It is true that the sub-regions looked at are Beijing, Shanghai, Jiangsu, and Zhejiang. The 2021 results have been postponed until 2022 for obvious reasons.

tmathmeyer 6y ago
They picked the two richest cities and the two richest provinces in the whole country to do the study on, and you're extrapolating those numbers across the rest?

azurezyq 6y ago

> I think it's pretty significant that they are able to run a country with that demographics most of whom were not even educated. Citation needed :) As a Chinese native who has friends in almost all provinces across China, I just don't see Chinese is less educated than US. Same K-12 education for almost all (exceptions are rare).

carmen_sandiego 6y ago
Eh, you're posting on HN in fluent English. Your personal friend group is probably nothing close to what's average in China. It's a straightforward sampling bias. Did you go to a Western university? A good one? And now work at some Western company? You can add atypical points for all of those. Most of the Chinese people I know are fine in terms of education, around the same as any other demographic. But most of them I know from a top European university, or from highly skilled work in China. Most of China is not like that at all.
- cambalache 6y ago
  I am really interested on your well researched work on this topic. Can you share a link to your book or articles? It is especially surprising given that last results indicate Chinese children consistently beating American(among the worst performers in OECD) kids in all academic categories. https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/pisa-test-china?rebelltitem=2#rebelltitem2 https://bigthink.com/politics-current-affairs/pisa-test-chin...
- azurezyq 6y ago
  I'm currently working in the bay area but I got my master degree in China and never attended any colleges in the west. I was born in a city ranked 45th in China by population (from wikipedia). K-12 is 100%. My grandpa lives in a very small village with annual income just a few thousand dollars, K-12 is also 100%. My close cousins come from the same small village, now bank staffs and doctors. I have friends who's family so poor that the roof got torn away by a typhoon. And I have friends whose parents are simply peasants. My friend group is definitely biased since I graduated from one of the top universities, but they are selected by exams, so many families are actually not wealthy. In China money usually cannot help you directly on exams, people need to study hard. Hmm, another thing I'm curious is that what gives the original post the impression that "Chinese people are uneducated". That's a rare heard haha.