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Consider TB and bcg vaccine. This is very real problem and very good example. In perfect society every person should decide for themselves whether to get bcg v
by hamilyon2 6y ago
Consider TB and bcg vaccine. This is very real problem and very good example.
In perfect society every person should decide for themselves whether to get bcg vaccine for oneself and their children like, every day of their lives.
Being responsible for their actions, they should argue, before broad society, that they knowingly and willingly, being fully informed about dangers of tuberculosis disease and full scientific consensus about this terrible disease and best current methods of containing, preventing and curing it:
1) endanger themselves by not using vaccinations
This seriously compromises their right to live, work, and have children
2) endanger to substantial amount every other person around them
This applies not only to vaccinations, but to regular checks, preventative measures, etc as well. Serious violation of rights of other people to live, be healthy, work, have children, ...
3) endanger children, especially from socially vulnerable groups
4) endanger their own children, in case they do not vaccinate them
So, in perfectly informed society where every contagious illness is traced to it's origin, this person should bear blame for every piece of suffering which them caused.
Freedom and rights do not mean freedom to and right to cause suffering.
So, the first step of retribution and correcting injustice will be, first, correct the source of error, meaning forcing person to use vaccine (and other measures). He still should have an option to take control of his own life and deny vaccination (we are talking about perfect society) and choose complete exile and isolation for rest of his life instead. Like, equivalent of his death to all other people.
One could argue that the very act of endangering other person, especially a child, is still criminal and probabilistic suffering should be punished too, if probability is high enough, and TB - bcg is good example, because vaccine is shown to be hugely beneficent. Even regular TB is nigh incurable, and cure for AB resistant TB does not exist, so current epidemic is arguably a problem.
Of course, real life differ from ideal picture. We just short-circuit all this logic and give bcg to every child born without asking questions. And while parent can say no, this means voluntary exile, no school, no university, no work, etc.
- giantg2 6y ago"probabilistic suffering should be punished too" So we should punish people for driving cars?
- domador 6y agoYes, if they drive them negligently, in a way that is likely to cause harm to others, yes. Yes, if they fail to maintain them such that they're an accident waiting to happen. The main issue here is negligence of taking reasonable precautions and endangering others' lives due to that negligence (even if no one was actually killed or injured.) People should still be punished for driving 50 mph over the speed limit.
- giantg2 6y agoYour statement didn't involve negligence, only probabilities. Not recieving a vaccine is not negligent. Even careful drivers with well maintained vehicles have accidents.