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No, kids are 100% a vector of COVID, almost much as any other group. That some cases go without symptoms is besides the point. Kids are almost as likely to ge

by jariel 6y ago

No, kids are 100% a vector of COVID, almost much as any other group. That some cases go without symptoms is besides the point. Kids are almost as likely to get COVID as any other group [1], they are just a lot less likely to die. The epidemiological data on that has been consistent for some months now. The study you presented was a short time-frame at the very start of the pandemic. COVID is a wildly infectious disease, so the notion that 'kids don't die from it it so it's ok' is really bad logic: everyone who has symptoms, spreads, and causes other people to get it which creates the pandemic. Also - you have provided no evidence for your wild claim that all the 'long-covid people were lying about their lyme disease'. [1] https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-s... (0-19 year-olds are the 2cnd highest cohort. Granted it's a bigger cohort, that said, they are getting infected at very meaningful rates i.e. they are spreaders)

kaczordon 6y ago
Swedish schools have been open all year and that report used a time period of 5 months COVID was well underway in Europe. Isn’t it odd that there was no spike in the virus after the protests and riots in the US? Millions of people were out in the streets packed together.
- jariel 6y ago
  You're misrepresenting the data, and also it's not refuting my point which is: 'children get COVID and spread it' - which they do, unambiguously. The data was 5 months, starting in January, long before COVID started. The comparable time-frame was short and it's only a very rough comparison - 'everything' about policies in nations, rates of infection (time of onset) would have been different. Since then, we have much more data, and we know unambiguously that children get and spread COVID. That 'people at protests' were or were not super-spreading is besides the point unless you're trying to suggest that 'COVID does not spread' at all? Those events took place outdoors during the summer among healthy people. Since September, with colder weather and more indoor activity (and the start of school), the growth of COVID has been quite spectacular. 550 000 Americans have died from COVID. It's affected everyone. But all of this is moot: COVID is dangerous not because of individual effects, but because of how rapidly it spreads. The thing that makes COVID a pandemic is the easy by which it gets into the population. Because one group is much less likely to die is not hugely important if they serve as vectors for the disease which kills others. From an epidemiological perspective, kids spread it almost like adults, and therefore 'are a cause' almost like adults. It's great they don't die, but that's only 1/2 of the story. We have to make sure to keep children from getting infected, just as we do adults. In short: children should be vaccinated, we may do them last but we can't ignore the population and assume 'it will be fine because they won't die'.
- sigg3 6y ago
  I'm not sure what numbers you're referring to, but if they were released under Tegnell I would take it with a ton of salt. If you take a look at the BLM riots in the US, a lot of people were wearing masks. It's a contrast to several Trump events, where a lot of supporters famously got infected. That's not to mention the huge spike and spreading after spring break 2020.. I get the sense that you're trolling tbh. Edit: Let us assume you're not. "[Trump rallies gauged to] have led to more than 30,000 additional cases and at least 700 additional deaths." https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-10-31/super-spreading-trump-rallies-led-to-more-than-700-covid-19-deaths-study https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-10-31/super-sprea... "We demonstrate that cities which had [BLM] protests saw an increase in social distancing behavior for the overall population relative to cities that did not,” reads the report called, “Black lives matter protests, social distancing and COVID-19.” https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/report-blm-protests-have-not-contributed-to-covid-19-spread/ar-BB16wNM9 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/report-blm-protests-have-n... The CDC states that schools are not particularly bad, and the worst scenario are small, informal gatherings cf. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19-spreads-easily-experts/story?id=74783036 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19-spreads-easily-expert... These 3 articles suggest that it comes down to behavior. So if we assume that the Swedish studies are correct, they would reflect how schools deal with protocols. I think it's fair to assume a different result e.g. outside Sweden or Scandinavia. It's also premature to say whether this still applies wrt the new variants from Brazil, GB and South Africa.
  - kaczordon 6y ago
    I don’t recall any superspreader events after Trump rallies either. And no I just think lockdowns have done far more harm than good. This paper is a meta-analysis of 54 prior studies that involved a total of 77,758 subjects reporting secondary transmissions in households. Conclusion: Asymptomatic people are not a factor for spreading Covid: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33315116/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33315116/ FYI that study has been cited a few times by the CDC even. So yeah all this masking and social distancing has really not been needed. If you have symptoms then stay home should have been the guidance.

by jariel 6y ago

kaczordon 6y ago

Swedish schools have been open all year and that report used a time period of 5 months COVID was well underway in Europe. Isn’t it odd that there was no spike in the virus after the protests and riots in the US? Millions of people were out in the streets packed together.

jariel 6y ago
You're misrepresenting the data, and also it's not refuting my point which is: 'children get COVID and spread it' - which they do, unambiguously. The data was 5 months, starting in January, long before COVID started. The comparable time-frame was short and it's only a very rough comparison - 'everything' about policies in nations, rates of infection (time of onset) would have been different. Since then, we have much more data, and we know unambiguously that children get and spread COVID. That 'people at protests' were or were not super-spreading is besides the point unless you're trying to suggest that 'COVID does not spread' at all? Those events took place outdoors during the summer among healthy people. Since September, with colder weather and more indoor activity (and the start of school), the growth of COVID has been quite spectacular. 550 000 Americans have died from COVID. It's affected everyone. But all of this is moot: COVID is dangerous not because of individual effects, but because of how rapidly it spreads. The thing that makes COVID a pandemic is the easy by which it gets into the population. Because one group is much less likely to die is not hugely important if they serve as vectors for the disease which kills others. From an epidemiological perspective, kids spread it almost like adults, and therefore 'are a cause' almost like adults. It's great they don't die, but that's only 1/2 of the story. We have to make sure to keep children from getting infected, just as we do adults. In short: children should be vaccinated, we may do them last but we can't ignore the population and assume 'it will be fine because they won't die'.
sigg3 6y ago
I'm not sure what numbers you're referring to, but if they were released under Tegnell I would take it with a ton of salt. If you take a look at the BLM riots in the US, a lot of people were wearing masks. It's a contrast to several Trump events, where a lot of supporters famously got infected. That's not to mention the huge spike and spreading after spring break 2020.. I get the sense that you're trolling tbh. Edit: Let us assume you're not. "[Trump rallies gauged to] have led to more than 30,000 additional cases and at least 700 additional deaths." https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-10-31/super-spreading-trump-rallies-led-to-more-than-700-covid-19-deaths-study https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-10-31/super-sprea... "We demonstrate that cities which had [BLM] protests saw an increase in social distancing behavior for the overall population relative to cities that did not,” reads the report called, “Black lives matter protests, social distancing and COVID-19.” https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/report-blm-protests-have-not-contributed-to-covid-19-spread/ar-BB16wNM9 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/report-blm-protests-have-n... The CDC states that schools are not particularly bad, and the worst scenario are small, informal gatherings cf. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19-spreads-easily-experts/story?id=74783036 https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19-spreads-easily-expert... These 3 articles suggest that it comes down to behavior. So if we assume that the Swedish studies are correct, they would reflect how schools deal with protocols. I think it's fair to assume a different result e.g. outside Sweden or Scandinavia. It's also premature to say whether this still applies wrt the new variants from Brazil, GB and South Africa.
- kaczordon 6y ago
  I don’t recall any superspreader events after Trump rallies either. And no I just think lockdowns have done far more harm than good. This paper is a meta-analysis of 54 prior studies that involved a total of 77,758 subjects reporting secondary transmissions in households. Conclusion: Asymptomatic people are not a factor for spreading Covid: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33315116/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33315116/ FYI that study has been cited a few times by the CDC even. So yeah all this masking and social distancing has really not been needed. If you have symptoms then stay home should have been the guidance.