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I understand the arguments that "QI has reasonable goals in theory", but it is time to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If cops didn't want to lose QI, th
by unethical_ban 6y ago
I understand the arguments that "QI has reasonable goals in theory", but it is time to throw the baby out with the bathwater. If cops didn't want to lose QI, they should have held themselves to account for the last few decades. Maybe the unions should have spoken up when cops steal tens of thousands of dollars in cash from a suspect, and get away with it due to QI.
San Antonio, TX will be voting in May on whether to disband the police union. "Back the Blue" types are saying it's Defund in disguise, that we won't be able to find good cops, and so on.
Except several large cities in Texas don't have unionized police, and they do alright. Furthermore, the cops in San Antonio can commit really awful crimes, and still have months- or years-long appeals.
Being a cop isn't a right, it is a privilege and a critical duty. It should be easy to fire bad cops. SAPD, if you didn't want your union to be busted, maybe you should have held yourselves to a higher standard.
- tinus_hn 6y agoHow is it legal to vote to disband a union? Could you vote to disband the Screen Actors Guild?
- mtnGoat 6y agoThe same way you change any other service provider. You find another vendor or renegotiate. The people will vote to instruct their officials to do so. Pretty straightforward.
- unethical_ban 6y agoShort version: Texas state law establishes the right for cities to decide whether their police can engage in collective bargaining. https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/LG/htm/LG.174.htm https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/LG/htm/LG.174.htm
- Can_Not 6y agoIt happens all too often: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Union https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissolution_of_the_Soviet_Un...
- gamblor956 6y agoStop with the anti-union FUD. The worst civil forfeiture abuses are in states where the law enforcement aren't unionized.
- ksquarekumar 6y agoAnd I am assuming you don't have any credible data to back that claim up?
- gamblor956 6y agohttps://reason.com/2015/06/09/this-map-details-whether-asset-forfeitur/ https://reason.com/2015/06/09/this-map-details-whether-asset... First result on google for civil forfeiture. Followed up by searching for [law enforcement agency] and union returns zero results for the worst locations. Police officers are unionized pretty much everywhere. Sheriffs, which carry out the most egregious civil asset forfeitures (usually in small travel-through towns), generally are not unionized outside of the big counties and states.
- unethical_ban 6y agoYour argument doesn't rebut mine. Mine: Unions have a direct, negative influence on the ability for departments/cities to fire bad cops. Yours: There is correlation, but not causation, between non-unionized police departments and instances of civil asset forfeiture.
- gamblor956 6y agoYou're the one making the causal claim that unions are responsible for this. You need to prove your claim; I've already provided evidence that would refute the argument you would make.
- handoflixue 6y agoDo you have any evidence for your claim?
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- magwa101 6y agoTexas, yeah, disguising union busting as "police reform".