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I am extremely anti-lockdown, however it's worth noting that a mild case of COVID does not have mild symptoms in absolute terms. It's not like a mild cold for e

I am extremely anti-lockdown, however it's worth noting that a mild case of COVID does not have mild symptoms in absolute terms. It's not like a mild cold for example. It's mild relative to moderate or severe cases, which involve breathing problems and hospitalization.

plank_time 6y ago
No, I know several people who got covid. They described the flu as being worse than covid. Mild mean mild. Hospitalization by definition is considered severe.
- CryptoPunk 6y ago
  Being less severe than the flu is not my definition of mild. A flu is a pretty bad illness.
asveikau 6y ago
And the worst part is that you may spread it to somebody (or several somebodies) who winds up with severe illness.
- CryptoPunk 6y ago
  You can shelter at home until you have gotten over it, and then you have immunity as well.
  - exclusiv 6y ago
    You can only shelter when you know you have it which comes after a period of being contagious and unaware. "research suggests that people who are infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, are at their most contagious in the 24 to 48 hours before they experience symptoms." [1] [1] https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/10/exposed-to-covid-19-how-soon-contagious https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/10/exposed-to-...
    - CryptoPunk 6y ago
      Alternatively, the elderly can shelter at home until they're vaccinated. Hardly seems sensible for the world to be put on hold for a year for an illness that only a small subset of the world population are highly vulberable to. The World Bank estimates 150 million will be pushed into extreme poverty due to COVID-related lockdowns: https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/covid-19-to-add-as-many-as-150-million-extreme-poor-by-2021 https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/c... Education has also been severely disrupted: https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/children-cannot-afford-another-year-school-disruption https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/children-cannot-afford...
      - exclusiv 6y ago
        Yes, except elderly need care. And we didn't have the vaccine available until not that long ago. Your suggestion that you can safely just quarantine and not be a risk to others is flat out wrong because you are at your most contagious 24-48 hours before you have symptoms. Also you may not have immunity after you sheltered and recovered. I'll agree with you that the response was pretty terrible though.
        CryptoPunk 6y ago
        My point is quarantining the healthy majority for over a year, when they are not vulnerable, was not a proportionate response to the pandemic. The links I provided give some indication of the poverty and educational disruption this causes, but unfortunately it's hard for people to admit that mass-quarantines were and continue to be wrong, because this issue has been politicized. Maybe you're right, and quarantine after contraction of illness was not a fully effective method of transmission control, but just the elderly isolating, instead of every one, was, and is a much more proportionate and sensible way to deal with a pandemic that only the elderly are highly vulnerable to.
        asveikau 6y ago
        > only the elderly are highly vulnerable to. This seems to be a big part of your reasoning but I don't think this is true. Yes, risk does skew there. But there are large numbers of non-elderly people who have been severely affected.

plank_time 6y ago

No, I know several people who got covid. They described the flu as being worse than covid. Mild mean mild. Hospitalization by definition is considered severe.

CryptoPunk 6y ago
Being less severe than the flu is not my definition of mild. A flu is a pretty bad illness.

asveikau 6y ago

And the worst part is that you may spread it to somebody (or several somebodies) who winds up with severe illness.

CryptoPunk 6y ago
You can shelter at home until you have gotten over it, and then you have immunity as well.
- exclusiv 6y ago
  You can only shelter when you know you have it which comes after a period of being contagious and unaware. "research suggests that people who are infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, are at their most contagious in the 24 to 48 hours before they experience symptoms." [1] [1] https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/10/exposed-to-covid-19-how-soon-contagious https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/10/exposed-to-...
  - CryptoPunk 6y ago
    Alternatively, the elderly can shelter at home until they're vaccinated. Hardly seems sensible for the world to be put on hold for a year for an illness that only a small subset of the world population are highly vulberable to. The World Bank estimates 150 million will be pushed into extreme poverty due to COVID-related lockdowns: https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/covid-19-to-add-as-many-as-150-million-extreme-poor-by-2021 https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2020/10/07/c... Education has also been severely disrupted: https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/children-cannot-afford-another-year-school-disruption https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/children-cannot-afford...
    - exclusiv 6y ago
      Yes, except elderly need care. And we didn't have the vaccine available until not that long ago. Your suggestion that you can safely just quarantine and not be a risk to others is flat out wrong because you are at your most contagious 24-48 hours before you have symptoms. Also you may not have immunity after you sheltered and recovered. I'll agree with you that the response was pretty terrible though.
      - CryptoPunk 6y ago
        My point is quarantining the healthy majority for over a year, when they are not vulnerable, was not a proportionate response to the pandemic. The links I provided give some indication of the poverty and educational disruption this causes, but unfortunately it's hard for people to admit that mass-quarantines were and continue to be wrong, because this issue has been politicized. Maybe you're right, and quarantine after contraction of illness was not a fully effective method of transmission control, but just the elderly isolating, instead of every one, was, and is a much more proportionate and sensible way to deal with a pandemic that only the elderly are highly vulnerable to.
        asveikau 6y ago
        > only the elderly are highly vulnerable to. This seems to be a big part of your reasoning but I don't think this is true. Yes, risk does skew there. But there are large numbers of non-elderly people who have been severely affected.