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I understood the point until the site stated "Emotion recognition software is largely seen as racist pseudoscience" and then link to facial recognition which is

I understood the point until the site stated "Emotion recognition software is largely seen as racist pseudoscience" and then link to facial recognition which is not related. You'd think these people are smart enough to not overplay their hand and actually get traction and therefor reach their goal.

swinglock 6y ago
I didn't think so. The second sentence explains the petition is a call to "abandon this patent". I don't think the author knows what a patent is, because I also don't get the impression that the point of this is make the idea public domain instead of owned by one company.
- natch 6y ago
  Or speaking of paranoia (you weren't but I did in my other comment) maybe they DO want it to be public domain, because maybe this whole anti-Spotify campaign is created by Facebook, because Facebook doesn't want a Spotify patent to prevent Facebook from doing this technology themselves.
  - swinglock 6y ago
    In that case it's scary smart. :)
jakelazaroff 6y ago
Where are you reading that? I just checked and there’s no link in that sentence or the rest of the paragraph.
- mg794613 6y ago
  It's a bit further down, under the video.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    Hm — it's showing up on my computer, but on my phone that sentence doesn't have a link. Weird!
- duxup 6y ago
  Third paragraph below the video. If your browser supports searching text you'll find it too.
snicksnak 6y ago
yeah, that bothered me too. If it's a pseudoscience then why should I care. I hate it when such campaigns with very concrete objectives try to drag everything possible into them. This inevitably muddies the water and leads to semantic overload, where everything is racist.
- mg794613 6y ago
  Muddying the water is phrasing it well. Don't get me wrong. I think pseudoscience and racism etc. are all bad things that need to be solved as well. However adding them on one big pile does not make your cause better or make the problem go away. Actually it scares people like me away, because it shows you're on a emotional slander campaign instead of solving a problem.
  - snicksnak 6y ago
    It's also a successful tactic, sadly, to just call everyone a racist, the worst thing you can call someone nowadays, and hope they cave. I'm simply not having it and will never engage in something like that.
  - Balgair 6y ago
    Honestly, it feels a bit 'counter-intelligence'-y to me. Like, it's so over the top that I almost suspect Spotify did it themselves. The Whois on the site says that it was registered on April 5th of 2021 for 1 year and the customer is based out of Ontario, Canada. Tucows was the registrant, and they seem to be a generic handler of web domains, based out of Toronto. https://tucows.com/ https://tucows.com/ Other than that, I can't really find out any additional info about the site or who is running it. I'm sure other HNers are more adept at searching for these kinds of things, and I'd love to know more about the paper-trail of it. https://www.whois.com/whois/stopspotifysurveillance.org https://www.whois.com/whois/stopspotifysurveillance.org
duxup 6y ago
I feel like there is a ton referenced concerns in that first page I read that isn't really explained, some seem kinda 'off', and just makes me hit the back button. I'm not singing up for what seems like a mix of legit concerns and ... borderline conspiracy theory / ideas that maybe really don't help the cause. I'm inclined to sympathize with a lot of this but I'm not getting on board an unknown / the whole crazy train.

swinglock 6y ago

I didn't think so. The second sentence explains the petition is a call to "abandon this patent". I don't think the author knows what a patent is, because I also don't get the impression that the point of this is make the idea public domain instead of owned by one company.

natch 6y ago
Or speaking of paranoia (you weren't but I did in my other comment) maybe they DO want it to be public domain, because maybe this whole anti-Spotify campaign is created by Facebook, because Facebook doesn't want a Spotify patent to prevent Facebook from doing this technology themselves.
- swinglock 6y ago
  In that case it's scary smart. :)

jakelazaroff 6y ago

Where are you reading that? I just checked and there’s no link in that sentence or the rest of the paragraph.

mg794613 6y ago
It's a bit further down, under the video.
- jakelazaroff 6y ago
  Hm — it's showing up on my computer, but on my phone that sentence doesn't have a link. Weird!
duxup 6y ago
Third paragraph below the video. If your browser supports searching text you'll find it too.

snicksnak 6y ago

yeah, that bothered me too. If it's a pseudoscience then why should I care. I hate it when such campaigns with very concrete objectives try to drag everything possible into them. This inevitably muddies the water and leads to semantic overload, where everything is racist.

mg794613 6y ago
Muddying the water is phrasing it well. Don't get me wrong. I think pseudoscience and racism etc. are all bad things that need to be solved as well. However adding them on one big pile does not make your cause better or make the problem go away. Actually it scares people like me away, because it shows you're on a emotional slander campaign instead of solving a problem.
- snicksnak 6y ago
  It's also a successful tactic, sadly, to just call everyone a racist, the worst thing you can call someone nowadays, and hope they cave. I'm simply not having it and will never engage in something like that.
- Balgair 6y ago
  Honestly, it feels a bit 'counter-intelligence'-y to me. Like, it's so over the top that I almost suspect Spotify did it themselves. The Whois on the site says that it was registered on April 5th of 2021 for 1 year and the customer is based out of Ontario, Canada. Tucows was the registrant, and they seem to be a generic handler of web domains, based out of Toronto. https://tucows.com/ https://tucows.com/ Other than that, I can't really find out any additional info about the site or who is running it. I'm sure other HNers are more adept at searching for these kinds of things, and I'd love to know more about the paper-trail of it. https://www.whois.com/whois/stopspotifysurveillance.org https://www.whois.com/whois/stopspotifysurveillance.org

duxup 6y ago

I feel like there is a ton referenced concerns in that first page I read that isn't really explained, some seem kinda 'off', and just makes me hit the back button. I'm not singing up for what seems like a mix of legit concerns and ... borderline conspiracy theory / ideas that maybe really don't help the cause. I'm inclined to sympathize with a lot of this but I'm not getting on board an unknown / the whole crazy train.