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Reminds me of this: https://chuttenblog.wordpress.com/2020/11/05/data-science-is-hard-alsa-in-firefox/ https://chuttenblog.wordpress.com/2020/11/05/data-science

Reminds me of this: https://chuttenblog.wordpress.com/2020/11/05/data-science-is-hard-alsa-in-firefox/ https://chuttenblog.wordpress.com/2020/11/05/data-science-is... tl;dr Telemetry indicates ALSA is no longer used. Firefox removes ALSA. Said Firefox version reaches release. Audio completely stops working for all users of some distros...that were yanking out the Telemetry.

saurik 6y ago
OMG, even if the telemetry were accurate, 2-3.5% of their users is a non-negligible number of people to use rip audio from... that's ridiculous!
- rockdoe 6y ago
  2.5%-3% of the Linux users, not of the total ones. From https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware Linux users are about 3% of the userbase, so that's 0.1% of total users.
  - dotancohen 6y ago
    Jews make up about 0.1% of the world's population. If I were to operate a store and deliberately exclude Jews from being able to shop there, would you not defend them? They can choose to adhere to the teachings of a different prophet just like you can install a different distro.
    - dralley 6y ago
      This has got to be the single most ridiculous comparison I've ever seen on this website.
      - dotancohen 6y ago
        I'd love to know why. Mozilla has made a change that has no other effect than excluding 0.1% of their userbase. No end users were benefited by the removal of ALSA support, but "only" 0.1% were excluded. I've put 0.1% into perspective.
        dralley 6y ago
        >No end users were benefited by the removal of ALSA support Don't be dishonest. Maintaining things requires time and effort. Time and effort are limited resources. * Nobody was maintaining ALSA support * Nobody from the community stepped up and offered to maintain ALSA support to prevent it from being removed * The ALSA backend poked a massive hole in their sandbox, which hurts users. Rewriting the ALSA backend to make it compatible with sandboxing would have required a lot of time and effort for little payoff. That hurts users by wasting developer time that could have been spent more productively. * You cannot compare a Free Software project removing support for something that nobody volunteered to maintain to anti-semitic persecution, don't be ridiculous. If Gentoo (or whoever) wants to keep ALSA support then they can carry the patch to do so.
        dotancohen 5y ago
        > Maintaining things requires time and effort. Time and > effort are limited resources. Airlines' provisions of Kosher meals also require time and effort. The meals must be prepared and packaged and handled in a parallel effort to the regular meals, not to mention that they must be counted and accounted for. Yet, those 0.1% of the flying public which require Kosher meals are deemed worthy enough to continue providing support for them.

saurik 6y ago

OMG, even if the telemetry were accurate, 2-3.5% of their users is a non-negligible number of people to use rip audio from... that's ridiculous!

rockdoe 6y ago
2.5%-3% of the Linux users, not of the total ones. From https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware Linux users are about 3% of the userbase, so that's 0.1% of total users.
- dotancohen 6y ago
  Jews make up about 0.1% of the world's population. If I were to operate a store and deliberately exclude Jews from being able to shop there, would you not defend them? They can choose to adhere to the teachings of a different prophet just like you can install a different distro.
  - dralley 6y ago
    This has got to be the single most ridiculous comparison I've ever seen on this website.
    - dotancohen 6y ago
      I'd love to know why. Mozilla has made a change that has no other effect than excluding 0.1% of their userbase. No end users were benefited by the removal of ALSA support, but "only" 0.1% were excluded. I've put 0.1% into perspective.
      - dralley 6y ago
        >No end users were benefited by the removal of ALSA support Don't be dishonest. Maintaining things requires time and effort. Time and effort are limited resources. * Nobody was maintaining ALSA support * Nobody from the community stepped up and offered to maintain ALSA support to prevent it from being removed * The ALSA backend poked a massive hole in their sandbox, which hurts users. Rewriting the ALSA backend to make it compatible with sandboxing would have required a lot of time and effort for little payoff. That hurts users by wasting developer time that could have been spent more productively. * You cannot compare a Free Software project removing support for something that nobody volunteered to maintain to anti-semitic persecution, don't be ridiculous. If Gentoo (or whoever) wants to keep ALSA support then they can carry the patch to do so.
        dotancohen 5y ago
        > Maintaining things requires time and effort. Time and > effort are limited resources. Airlines' provisions of Kosher meals also require time and effort. The meals must be prepared and packaged and handled in a parallel effort to the regular meals, not to mention that they must be counted and accounted for. Yet, those 0.1% of the flying public which require Kosher meals are deemed worthy enough to continue providing support for them.