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It seems like it's just FUD. According to the bug tracker the plan is to run an experiment (including defaulting Compact mode) and see which combinations are a

It seems like it's just FUD. According to the bug tracker the plan is to run an experiment (including defaulting Compact mode) and see which combinations are actually retained by users: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1698171 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1698171 There's another bug that I can't find right now that talks about defaulting Compact mode on low-res devices. The whole thing seems to be totally unsettled pending more data.

jfk13 6y ago
> According to the bug tracker the plan is to run an experiment There's a bug on file suggesting an experiment. Whether there is a plan to actually run one is another matter. (I don't know the answer; just wanted to point out that issues in bugzilla are not by themselves evidence of product plans.)
- rockdoe 6y ago
  True. I found the other discussion: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1698244#c1 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1698244#c1 Which says that the current Telemetry is not usable (and talks about the defaulting on).
e3bc54b2 6y ago
I wish your first paragraph turns out to be correct. I'm personally not hopeful after Mozilla's track record in recent history. But then again, there is no alternative...
avian 6y ago
I wonder if this kind of experimental approach just leads to software slowly getting worse and worse over time, in many small steps. I feel like human response to changes like this isn't linear: make a thing slightly worse, and most people won't be annoyed enough to do the research, find and change the setting. If it's not a huge step back they'll just live with it, and maybe complain to their IT-savy friend, who will just nod and say "I know". On the other hand, people doing the experiment will see that most of their test subjects don't switch away from the change - mission accomplished, full steam ahead!
- rockdoe 6y ago
  That seems to be why the experiment outlined is so valuable. It would default both options and look at cross-switching. A/B testing UX, basically?
nabilhat 6y ago
> the plan is to run an experiment (including defaulting Compact mode) and see which combinations are actually retained by users Moving the compact mode setting into the same space as the telemetry switches not included in about:preferences#privacy seems like a great way to cook the statistics. Hanlon's Razor only stretches so far. It's become an established pattern of hiding a feature over next to the telemetry switches, explaining that they'd measure the results with lazy load telemetry - gently defining an unspoken void that's shaped a lot like "well if they wanted the feature maybe they shouldn't have turned off telemetry?".
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jfk13 6y ago

> According to the bug tracker the plan is to run an experiment There's a bug on file suggesting an experiment. Whether there is a plan to actually run one is another matter. (I don't know the answer; just wanted to point out that issues in bugzilla are not by themselves evidence of product plans.)

rockdoe 6y ago
True. I found the other discussion: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1698244#c1 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1698244#c1 Which says that the current Telemetry is not usable (and talks about the defaulting on).

e3bc54b2 6y ago

I wish your first paragraph turns out to be correct. I'm personally not hopeful after Mozilla's track record in recent history. But then again, there is no alternative...

avian 6y ago

I wonder if this kind of experimental approach just leads to software slowly getting worse and worse over time, in many small steps. I feel like human response to changes like this isn't linear: make a thing slightly worse, and most people won't be annoyed enough to do the research, find and change the setting. If it's not a huge step back they'll just live with it, and maybe complain to their IT-savy friend, who will just nod and say "I know". On the other hand, people doing the experiment will see that most of their test subjects don't switch away from the change - mission accomplished, full steam ahead!

rockdoe 6y ago
That seems to be why the experiment outlined is so valuable. It would default both options and look at cross-switching. A/B testing UX, basically?

nabilhat 6y ago

> the plan is to run an experiment (including defaulting Compact mode) and see which combinations are actually retained by users Moving the compact mode setting into the same space as the telemetry switches not included in about:preferences#privacy seems like a great way to cook the statistics. Hanlon's Razor only stretches so far. It's become an established pattern of hiding a feature over next to the telemetry switches, explaining that they'd measure the results with lazy load telemetry - gently defining an unspoken void that's shaped a lot like "well if they wanted the feature maybe they shouldn't have turned off telemetry?".

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