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> In the UK 60% of the adult population have had the jab now First jab Israel has 56% of people fully vaccinated, Chile 22%, US 19% UK is just 8% > but ever

> In the UK 60% of the adult population have had the jab now First jab Israel has 56% of people fully vaccinated, Chile 22%, US 19% UK is just 8% > but everyone is apparently cool with that because "kids don't get sick from it" The government and media don't give a stuff about anyone under the age of 50, certainly not under 40.

_joel 6y ago
It'll be interesting to see if they enforce covid passports whilst a large swathe of the population is still not eligible to have a single vaccine dose, let alone have had both
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- londons_explore 6y ago
  They will, but those not eligible will just get an automatic passport. They need that system anyway for babies too young to be vaccinated, people with health issues making the vaccine inadvisable, etc.
- ghaff 6y ago
  Who is "they"? In the US it will mostly be individual businesses making whatever decisions make the most sense from a business perspective.
  - naturalauction 6y ago
    Presumably the UK where there is lots of discussion about the government possibly making vaccine passports mandatory for certain types of businesses (I think large-scale events and nightclubs are examples).
    - ghaff 6y ago
      There's been some talk in the US at the state level (esp. NY) but AFAIK the federal government has explicitly said they're not going to be getting into vaccine passports.
  - _joel 6y ago
    UK, as was discussed in the thread above
- AzzieElbab 6y ago
  These are independent things in bureaucracy. Here in Canada they are starting to talk about passports while vaccinations are under 2%
rualca 6y ago
> The government and media don't give a stuff about anyone under the age of 50, certainly not under 40. I find this blend of comments disheartening and disappointing, mainly because they appear to come from a place of willful ignorance. Please try not to forget that the reason all covid-19 vaccination programmes have been rolled out progressively from the older to younger segments of the population is due to the fact that: a) vaccines are in short supply, thus mass vaccination programs demand a rational approach to maximize it's effectiveness in lowering covid-19 deaths, b) all covid-19 vaccination programmes prioritize vaccinating at-risk groups within their population, c) covid-19 is patently known to have a considerably high fatality rate on older segments of the population, while on younger segments of the population it's negligible. Let's not feign ignorance here. Covid-19 kills old people in spades while young people just brush it off. If you care about loved ones and aren't happy with he idea of seeing your elders die from covid-19 then it's obvious why said elders are moved to the front of the queue to get vaccinated. This should be so obvious that should require no explanation. Then again basic steps to safeguard the health and well-being of others, such as the ridiculous anti-mask militancy, is sadly a thing. So it's clear that many among us simply care nothing about any issue that does not involve them directly and are so self-centered that interpret basic care for others as an affront to their personal privileges.
- cgriswald 6y ago
  It might be the right approach but that’s not at all “obvious,” and the question has philosophical, ethical, and political roots. Do we immunize the most vulnerable to make sure they’re taken care of or do we immunize the most likely spreaders to reduce the risk to everyone, including the most vulnerable, relatively equally? How do you weigh in existing precautions, ongoing changes to those precautions, financial struggles, and employment demands to these decisions? Do we focus on regions currently most affected or do we roll it out equally? There are a million questions like these and the choices aren’t all obvious. Your post is unnecessarily hostile, ignorant, and insensitive. I knew someone who died of the disease. He was half my age and I’m too young to be eligible for the vaccine. Not all young people “brush it off.”
  - Angostura 6y ago
conradfr 6y ago
The virus as well. edit: just look at the numbers
plank_time 6y ago
“Fully vaccinated” is meaningless. What matters is the first dose. After two weeks, regardless of the vaccine, the person has basically reached a high enough level of immunity to prevent getting sick and spreading the virus.

_joel 6y ago

It'll be interesting to see if they enforce covid passports whilst a large swathe of the population is still not eligible to have a single vaccine dose, let alone have had both

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londons_explore 6y ago
They will, but those not eligible will just get an automatic passport. They need that system anyway for babies too young to be vaccinated, people with health issues making the vaccine inadvisable, etc.
ghaff 6y ago
Who is "they"? In the US it will mostly be individual businesses making whatever decisions make the most sense from a business perspective.
- naturalauction 6y ago
  Presumably the UK where there is lots of discussion about the government possibly making vaccine passports mandatory for certain types of businesses (I think large-scale events and nightclubs are examples).
  - ghaff 6y ago
    There's been some talk in the US at the state level (esp. NY) but AFAIK the federal government has explicitly said they're not going to be getting into vaccine passports.
- _joel 6y ago
  UK, as was discussed in the thread above
AzzieElbab 6y ago
These are independent things in bureaucracy. Here in Canada they are starting to talk about passports while vaccinations are under 2%

rualca 6y ago

> The government and media don't give a stuff about anyone under the age of 50, certainly not under 40. I find this blend of comments disheartening and disappointing, mainly because they appear to come from a place of willful ignorance. Please try not to forget that the reason all covid-19 vaccination programmes have been rolled out progressively from the older to younger segments of the population is due to the fact that: a) vaccines are in short supply, thus mass vaccination programs demand a rational approach to maximize it's effectiveness in lowering covid-19 deaths, b) all covid-19 vaccination programmes prioritize vaccinating at-risk groups within their population, c) covid-19 is patently known to have a considerably high fatality rate on older segments of the population, while on younger segments of the population it's negligible. Let's not feign ignorance here. Covid-19 kills old people in spades while young people just brush it off. If you care about loved ones and aren't happy with he idea of seeing your elders die from covid-19 then it's obvious why said elders are moved to the front of the queue to get vaccinated. This should be so obvious that should require no explanation. Then again basic steps to safeguard the health and well-being of others, such as the ridiculous anti-mask militancy, is sadly a thing. So it's clear that many among us simply care nothing about any issue that does not involve them directly and are so self-centered that interpret basic care for others as an affront to their personal privileges.

cgriswald 6y ago
It might be the right approach but that’s not at all “obvious,” and the question has philosophical, ethical, and political roots. Do we immunize the most vulnerable to make sure they’re taken care of or do we immunize the most likely spreaders to reduce the risk to everyone, including the most vulnerable, relatively equally? How do you weigh in existing precautions, ongoing changes to those precautions, financial struggles, and employment demands to these decisions? Do we focus on regions currently most affected or do we roll it out equally? There are a million questions like these and the choices aren’t all obvious. Your post is unnecessarily hostile, ignorant, and insensitive. I knew someone who died of the disease. He was half my age and I’m too young to be eligible for the vaccine. Not all young people “brush it off.”
- Angostura 6y ago

conradfr 6y ago

The virus as well. edit: just look at the numbers

plank_time 6y ago

“Fully vaccinated” is meaningless. What matters is the first dose. After two weeks, regardless of the vaccine, the person has basically reached a high enough level of immunity to prevent getting sick and spreading the virus.