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> Imagine, if you will a 1950s America where people are trying to post about civil rights and being downvoted into invisibility. Are you labouring under the mi

> Imagine, if you will a 1950s America where people are trying to post about civil rights and being downvoted into invisibility. Are you labouring under the misapprehension that there were no civil rights leaders before the 1950s, and this was not exactly what happened to them?

Quarrelsome 6y ago
No. I am stating that this attitude of "downvote when disagreeing" could lead to structural discrimination against minorities. That is exactly what I'm saying, nothing more, nothing less.
- batch12 6y ago
  Impressive leap of logic to deem downvoting racist. This seems to be the final argument nowadays when all else fails. As a side note, I have often wished folks could see their downvote count or at least an upvote to downvote ratio. In the past I wondered if I was quicker to downvote, when I had the ability, than upvote.
  - Quarrelsome 6y ago
    > Impressive leap of logic to deem downvoting racist. This seems to be the final argument nowadays when all else fails. I think that's cold for you to wilfuly misinterpret my point so. Fine, we'll apply it to the gold standard. In news.y for the 1800s someone recommending moving away from the gold standard would get downvoted to hell by those that "disagree". Their comment would grey and vanish to most. By encouraging downvoting disagreements you encourage large consensus to shut out contradictory voices by downvoting them, regardless of the voracity of their arguments. This means that all voices are significantly constrained by the habits of the present as opposed to attempts at deriving truths that are correct regardless of the age. IMO downvoting for disagreement is entitled behaviour because its greedily taking an extra vote. You get an upvote for agreement, to upvote AND downvote is two votes. Why should some people get two votes?
    - throwaways885 6y ago
      Turn showdead on. I too, am concerned about some of the groupthink on HN, but it's not as severe as you'd suspect. What I do disagree with is comments being flagged/obliterated for simply being unpopular.
    - batch12 6y ago
      > "downvote when disagreeing" could lead to structural discrimination against minorities. I don't see what I wrote as a willful misinterpretation. I guess I could have added sexist, homophobic, etc to the list. As for downvoting in general, I may not be able to fully appreciate your argument because of a fundamental difference in expectations. I don't really care about downvotes or upvotes or any other fake internet validation of my value. If people want to flag my comments or vote them up or down, fine. I don't see downvotes for disagreement as a way to oppress me. The rules on this site allow downvoting for disagreement and I chose to comment here.
      - Quarrelsome 6y ago
        > I don't see what I wrote as a willful misinterpretation. You were acting exasperated that I mentioned race but the example I chose wasn't relevant to the discussion. Apologies for choosing a contentious subject but in my defence you did write. > This seems to be the final argument nowadays when all else fails. Where you are stating my points have all failed and I'm grasping at straws: RUDE. > I don't really care about downvotes or upvotes or any other fake internet validation of my value. Neither do I and you're missing the point if you interpret it as karma-whoring. The point isn't you and isn't me, its the impact on the readers, the lurkers, on the 80% (us that write comments are always a minority) and if spread broadly enough: society. Its an outcome that prizes public consensus of a view over its voracity and I think that's a poor guideline to have in the coffee shops of the modern era.
        batch12 6y ago
        I don't think we'll come to an agreement, but I appreciate you taking the time to explain your perspective. Edit: And I apologize if what I wrote came off as rude. It was more an observation of current events that got directed at you. I'll try and do better.

Quarrelsome 6y ago

No. I am stating that this attitude of "downvote when disagreeing" could lead to structural discrimination against minorities. That is exactly what I'm saying, nothing more, nothing less.

batch12 6y ago
Impressive leap of logic to deem downvoting racist. This seems to be the final argument nowadays when all else fails. As a side note, I have often wished folks could see their downvote count or at least an upvote to downvote ratio. In the past I wondered if I was quicker to downvote, when I had the ability, than upvote.
- Quarrelsome 6y ago
  > Impressive leap of logic to deem downvoting racist. This seems to be the final argument nowadays when all else fails. I think that's cold for you to wilfuly misinterpret my point so. Fine, we'll apply it to the gold standard. In news.y for the 1800s someone recommending moving away from the gold standard would get downvoted to hell by those that "disagree". Their comment would grey and vanish to most. By encouraging downvoting disagreements you encourage large consensus to shut out contradictory voices by downvoting them, regardless of the voracity of their arguments. This means that all voices are significantly constrained by the habits of the present as opposed to attempts at deriving truths that are correct regardless of the age. IMO downvoting for disagreement is entitled behaviour because its greedily taking an extra vote. You get an upvote for agreement, to upvote AND downvote is two votes. Why should some people get two votes?
  - throwaways885 6y ago
    Turn showdead on. I too, am concerned about some of the groupthink on HN, but it's not as severe as you'd suspect. What I do disagree with is comments being flagged/obliterated for simply being unpopular.
  - batch12 6y ago
    > "downvote when disagreeing" could lead to structural discrimination against minorities. I don't see what I wrote as a willful misinterpretation. I guess I could have added sexist, homophobic, etc to the list. As for downvoting in general, I may not be able to fully appreciate your argument because of a fundamental difference in expectations. I don't really care about downvotes or upvotes or any other fake internet validation of my value. If people want to flag my comments or vote them up or down, fine. I don't see downvotes for disagreement as a way to oppress me. The rules on this site allow downvoting for disagreement and I chose to comment here.
    - Quarrelsome 6y ago
      > I don't see what I wrote as a willful misinterpretation. You were acting exasperated that I mentioned race but the example I chose wasn't relevant to the discussion. Apologies for choosing a contentious subject but in my defence you did write. > This seems to be the final argument nowadays when all else fails. Where you are stating my points have all failed and I'm grasping at straws: RUDE. > I don't really care about downvotes or upvotes or any other fake internet validation of my value. Neither do I and you're missing the point if you interpret it as karma-whoring. The point isn't you and isn't me, its the impact on the readers, the lurkers, on the 80% (us that write comments are always a minority) and if spread broadly enough: society. Its an outcome that prizes public consensus of a view over its voracity and I think that's a poor guideline to have in the coffee shops of the modern era.
      - batch12 6y ago
        I don't think we'll come to an agreement, but I appreciate you taking the time to explain your perspective. Edit: And I apologize if what I wrote came off as rude. It was more an observation of current events that got directed at you. I'll try and do better.