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That was always my impression. But some thread on HN from yesterday a lot of people were saying COBOL salaries were very low, so which is it?

Intermernet 6y ago
I know a guy who used to write COBOL at IBM. He was apparently quite good. He now drives trucks for a landscape supply company. I told him that he should look into COBOL jobs again so he did some research. It seems that the actual number of available jobs is a lot lower than the hype would suggest.
- wiz21c 6y ago
  my understanding is that companies with COBOL are big instituions with people not much interested in "career" but in "stability". So those old programmers stay there until they retire (nothing wrong with that). So they keep up the COBOL system. Once they get older management thinks about replacing the COBOL system with something new. If it's really expensive, a new system is built around the COBOL system with new technologies : report by report, DB by DB, etc. until then old system can be unplugged. It takes 10 to 20 years to do so. Nothing unbearable for a big corp.
johannes1234321 6y ago
What is high paid is not the ability to write COBOL, what is being highly paid is understanding the 40 year old application building the foundation of the insurance or bank. If you understand all the implications of code changes there, you are worth a lot. If you need oversight to not break anything (hardly any tests etc.) you a worth a lot less.
- jmt_ 6y ago
  Spot on. I see people talking about learning COBOL or not, but as you say that's not so much the point. You really need to know how ancient mainframes work. A programmer can pick up the basics of COBOL soon enough, but understanding the ins and outs of zOS and the likes? Much harder, especially the more recent your tech knowledge is. Approaches to software and systems design has changed dramatically since the IBM mainframe days. If you want to make money working on old software just learn Java EE or .NET Framework or something!
the_only_law 6y ago
The way I’ve always heard it is that it’s somewhat bimodal. You got people with many decades of experience who can, as independent consultants charge an impressive price for there time. Then you get people who were maybe bait and switched or took what they could find working as a low paid contractor or developer for a company that doesn’t pay the best.
VLM 6y ago
If you're an expert in CICS, JCL, DB2 then you'll get a job, but if you just hello_world.cob you won't get a job. Kinda like its somewhat easier to get a react.js angular.js node.js job than a generic javascript job.
segmondy 6y ago
I believe the post was sarcasm.
gregvab 6y ago
My first job was as a COBOL developer 10 years ago. My annual salary was around $4000

Intermernet 6y ago

I know a guy who used to write COBOL at IBM. He was apparently quite good. He now drives trucks for a landscape supply company. I told him that he should look into COBOL jobs again so he did some research. It seems that the actual number of available jobs is a lot lower than the hype would suggest.

wiz21c 6y ago
my understanding is that companies with COBOL are big instituions with people not much interested in "career" but in "stability". So those old programmers stay there until they retire (nothing wrong with that). So they keep up the COBOL system. Once they get older management thinks about replacing the COBOL system with something new. If it's really expensive, a new system is built around the COBOL system with new technologies : report by report, DB by DB, etc. until then old system can be unplugged. It takes 10 to 20 years to do so. Nothing unbearable for a big corp.

johannes1234321 6y ago

What is high paid is not the ability to write COBOL, what is being highly paid is understanding the 40 year old application building the foundation of the insurance or bank. If you understand all the implications of code changes there, you are worth a lot. If you need oversight to not break anything (hardly any tests etc.) you a worth a lot less.

jmt_ 6y ago
Spot on. I see people talking about learning COBOL or not, but as you say that's not so much the point. You really need to know how ancient mainframes work. A programmer can pick up the basics of COBOL soon enough, but understanding the ins and outs of zOS and the likes? Much harder, especially the more recent your tech knowledge is. Approaches to software and systems design has changed dramatically since the IBM mainframe days. If you want to make money working on old software just learn Java EE or .NET Framework or something!

the_only_law 6y ago

The way I’ve always heard it is that it’s somewhat bimodal. You got people with many decades of experience who can, as independent consultants charge an impressive price for there time. Then you get people who were maybe bait and switched or took what they could find working as a low paid contractor or developer for a company that doesn’t pay the best.

VLM 6y ago

If you're an expert in CICS, JCL, DB2 then you'll get a job, but if you just hello_world.cob you won't get a job. Kinda like its somewhat easier to get a react.js angular.js node.js job than a generic javascript job.

segmondy 6y ago

I believe the post was sarcasm.

gregvab 6y ago

My first job was as a COBOL developer 10 years ago. My annual salary was around $4000