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Navalny 'losing sensation in legs and hands'

55 points by codezero 5y ago

1cvmask 5y ago
Navalny wants immigrants and Muslims to be killed like cockroaches. It’s not a surprise how the white media love him and his values. (and thanks for the downvotes for pointing out the western medias overt love to an openly proud fascist) “In a 2007 pro-gun rights video, Navalny presents himself as a “certified nationalist” who wants to exterminate “flies and cockroaches” – while bearded Muslim men appear in cutaways. He whips out a gun and shoots an actor wearing a keffiyeh who tried to “attack” him. The 42-second video was released by the Russian National Liberation Movement, a nationalist group Navalny had just co-founded with Zakhar Prilepin, a renowned novelist who later fought for pro-Russian separatists in southeastern Ukraine and joined a pro-Kremlin socialist party earlier this year.” https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/25/navalny-has-the-kremlin-foe-moved-on-from-his-nationalist-past https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/25/navalny-has-the-kre... The video for the curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ILxqIEEMg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ILxqIEEMg
- probably_wrong 5y ago
  I am struggling trying to understand what your point is. Let's assume that what you are citing is 100% accurate, and that he has not changed a bit in the last 14 years. What then? Should we simply assume that he deserves being treated this way and look away?
  - AzzieElbab 5y ago
    it is a smear and therefore does not need to have a point. back in the days tones of illegal immigrants were slaving on russia's constructions projects causing uproar among locals competing for same jobs.
- libertine 5y ago
  >It’s not a surprise how the white media love him and his values. I never got the idea that the "white media" (what ever that is) likes him, because the narrative is pretty much the political opposition of the establishment is being targeted and attacked. Never once I saw any value judgement of Navalny political views, hell until you posted it I never even reflected if he was right/left winged.
tartoran 5y ago
This man is a hero but a ‘sadomasochist’ at the same time. Why did he return to Russia after the attempt to poison him? He wanted to show he was not afraid, I get that but was it worth it? His life is in danger again. And his public support remains relatively low, even after disclosing the whole Putin palace by the Black Sea and the extravagant spending on it, all this while the Russian people have seen a dramatic decline in quality of life.
- kamranjon 5y ago
  I think a common assumption is that his family was threatened by the Kremlin and his only option was to return to prevent harm to them.
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - tartoran 5y ago
    Yes but but I guess he is worth more to his family alive than dead. That likelihood is pretty high, either in a Russian jail or poisoned again with a nerve agent. I don't think he'll be lucky to survive another attempt like that. He is really courageous but am still not convinced his decision to return was a sound one. Putin ordered the killing of many opponents and the Russian people as a whole don't show any sign that they care.
    - atat7024 5y ago
      They put him in a position where he might not have a family if he stayed away, and safe.
      - tartoran 5y ago
        That makes some sense however, when he got back on his feet from poisoning, he published the Black Sea Palace Documentary, a risky move. I guess that would put his family in great danger as well. Now, after returning to Russia he's been silenced and doubt his family is not any safer. I still admire this guy for his courage to confront Putin, I would be scared for my life. It is sad that the Russian people don't seem to care. The demonstrations that took place should have been much bigger.
Const-me 5y ago
Navalny is going to die in Russian jail, like millions of people before him. Russians don't care on average. They have been living under authoritarian regimes for many centuries, and are more or less OK with them. No reasonable amount of outside pressure is going to stop it. Nuking Kremlin might do the trick but that amount of pressure is not reasonable, IMO.
- smt88 5y ago
  I do wonder what full economic collapse would do to Putin's Russia. Considering the worsening prospects for oil producers, we may see the economic context change.
  - Const-me 5y ago
    Eventually, I think the economic collapse will cause the country to break up into smaller states. It already happened with USSR. In long term perspective, this might improve the situation with human rights. And that’s something that can be accelerated with international economic sanctions. But I’m not sure this gonna help Navalny. For one, I don’t think he has enough time left. Another thing, when soviet forces retreated from western parts of the country in 1941, they killed hostages instead of releasing them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_prisoner_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_prisoner_massacres
    - smt88 5y ago
      I agree, I don't think it will help Navalny. I assume he'll be dead within a few months, if he isn't already.
  - ilcavero 5y ago
    full economic collapse happened in Venezuela and it didn't loosen the authoritarian grip
    - mbroncano 5y ago
      Or Cuba, PRNK, ...
NullPrefix 5y ago
>In an Instagram post, Navalny said prison authorities were trying to undermine his hunger strike by roasting chicken near him and placing sweets in the pockets of his clothes. Breaking a long term fast with either sweets or roasted chicken doesn't sound too good.

55 points by codezero 5y ago

Navalny wants immigrants and Muslims to be killed like cockroaches. It’s not a surprise how the white media love him and his values. (and thanks for the downvotes for pointing out the western medias overt love to an openly proud fascist) “In a 2007 pro-gun rights video, Navalny presents himself as a “certified nationalist” who wants to exterminate “flies and cockroaches” – while bearded Muslim men appear in cutaways. He whips out a gun and shoots an actor wearing a keffiyeh who tried to “attack” him. The 42-second video was released by the Russian National Liberation Movement, a nationalist group Navalny had just co-founded with Zakhar Prilepin, a renowned novelist who later fought for pro-Russian separatists in southeastern Ukraine and joined a pro-Kremlin socialist party earlier this year.” https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/25/navalny-has-the-kremlin-foe-moved-on-from-his-nationalist-past https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/25/navalny-has-the-kre... The video for the curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ILxqIEEMg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8ILxqIEEMg

probably_wrong 5y ago
I am struggling trying to understand what your point is. Let's assume that what you are citing is 100% accurate, and that he has not changed a bit in the last 14 years. What then? Should we simply assume that he deserves being treated this way and look away?
- AzzieElbab 5y ago
  it is a smear and therefore does not need to have a point. back in the days tones of illegal immigrants were slaving on russia's constructions projects causing uproar among locals competing for same jobs.
libertine 5y ago
>It’s not a surprise how the white media love him and his values. I never got the idea that the "white media" (what ever that is) likes him, because the narrative is pretty much the political opposition of the establishment is being targeted and attacked. Never once I saw any value judgement of Navalny political views, hell until you posted it I never even reflected if he was right/left winged.

tartoran 5y ago

This man is a hero but a ‘sadomasochist’ at the same time. Why did he return to Russia after the attempt to poison him? He wanted to show he was not afraid, I get that but was it worth it? His life is in danger again. And his public support remains relatively low, even after disclosing the whole Putin palace by the Black Sea and the extravagant spending on it, all this while the Russian people have seen a dramatic decline in quality of life.

kamranjon 5y ago
I think a common assumption is that his family was threatened by the Kremlin and his only option was to return to prevent harm to them.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- tartoran 5y ago
  Yes but but I guess he is worth more to his family alive than dead. That likelihood is pretty high, either in a Russian jail or poisoned again with a nerve agent. I don't think he'll be lucky to survive another attempt like that. He is really courageous but am still not convinced his decision to return was a sound one. Putin ordered the killing of many opponents and the Russian people as a whole don't show any sign that they care.
  - atat7024 5y ago
    They put him in a position where he might not have a family if he stayed away, and safe.
    - tartoran 5y ago
      That makes some sense however, when he got back on his feet from poisoning, he published the Black Sea Palace Documentary, a risky move. I guess that would put his family in great danger as well. Now, after returning to Russia he's been silenced and doubt his family is not any safer. I still admire this guy for his courage to confront Putin, I would be scared for my life. It is sad that the Russian people don't seem to care. The demonstrations that took place should have been much bigger.

Const-me 5y ago

Navalny is going to die in Russian jail, like millions of people before him. Russians don't care on average. They have been living under authoritarian regimes for many centuries, and are more or less OK with them. No reasonable amount of outside pressure is going to stop it. Nuking Kremlin might do the trick but that amount of pressure is not reasonable, IMO.

smt88 5y ago
I do wonder what full economic collapse would do to Putin's Russia. Considering the worsening prospects for oil producers, we may see the economic context change.
- Const-me 5y ago
  Eventually, I think the economic collapse will cause the country to break up into smaller states. It already happened with USSR. In long term perspective, this might improve the situation with human rights. And that’s something that can be accelerated with international economic sanctions. But I’m not sure this gonna help Navalny. For one, I don’t think he has enough time left. Another thing, when soviet forces retreated from western parts of the country in 1941, they killed hostages instead of releasing them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_prisoner_massacres https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_prisoner_massacres
  - smt88 5y ago
    I agree, I don't think it will help Navalny. I assume he'll be dead within a few months, if he isn't already.
- ilcavero 5y ago
  full economic collapse happened in Venezuela and it didn't loosen the authoritarian grip
  - mbroncano 5y ago
    Or Cuba, PRNK, ...

NullPrefix 5y ago

>In an Instagram post, Navalny said prison authorities were trying to undermine his hunger strike by roasting chicken near him and placing sweets in the pockets of his clothes. Breaking a long term fast with either sweets or roasted chicken doesn't sound too good.