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> Another way to help retrain motorists' expectations is to do better to keep up with traffic. Whether a cyclist can maintain 20 mph or just 10 mph isn't goin

by u801e 6y ago

> Another way to help retrain motorists' expectations is to do better to keep up with traffic. Whether a cyclist can maintain 20 mph or just 10 mph isn't going to make a difference to the motorists. But taking the lane by default will train them to change lanes to pass like they would when encountering any other slow vehicle.

JoeAltmaier 6y ago
And while they're being trained, bicyclist get hurt. Its a difficult problem, and we're in a difficult place. I don't know of a good solution.
- u801e 6y ago
  How does the bicyclist get hurt when the driver changes lanes to pass? Bicyclists actually get more lateral clearance when that happens compared to when they're keeping further right and the motorist tries to squeeze their vehicle between them and oncoming traffic.
  - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
    When they 'learn to change lanes to pass'. Because they're not doing that now, and won't all learn the same day. Until then bicyclist put their life on the line every time they go out on the road.
    - u801e 6y ago
      Do you have any statistics to back up your assertion that faster traffic does not change lanes to pass a cyclist taking the lane where taking the lane is defined as riding between the center of the lane and left your track? One experiment [1] demonstrated that motorists consistently changed lanes to pass when cyclists rode in the position I described. [1] https://iamtraffic.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/BicyclistPositionOvertakingDistance.pdf https://iamtraffic.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/BicyclistP...
      - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
        Do you ride a bike? You wouldn't say such total nonsense if you rode a bike.
        u801e 6y ago
        I do ride at least 1000 miles a year on roads with traffic speeds ranging from 0 to 50 mph. I've been doing this for over 15 years at this point and my personal experience matches up with the results of that experiment I linked to in my previous comment. Do you cycle? Do you ride in the primary position that I described earlier by default?

by u801e 6y ago

JoeAltmaier 6y ago

And while they're being trained, bicyclist get hurt. Its a difficult problem, and we're in a difficult place. I don't know of a good solution.

u801e 6y ago
How does the bicyclist get hurt when the driver changes lanes to pass? Bicyclists actually get more lateral clearance when that happens compared to when they're keeping further right and the motorist tries to squeeze their vehicle between them and oncoming traffic.
- JoeAltmaier 6y ago
  When they 'learn to change lanes to pass'. Because they're not doing that now, and won't all learn the same day. Until then bicyclist put their life on the line every time they go out on the road.
  - u801e 6y ago
    Do you have any statistics to back up your assertion that faster traffic does not change lanes to pass a cyclist taking the lane where taking the lane is defined as riding between the center of the lane and left your track? One experiment [1] demonstrated that motorists consistently changed lanes to pass when cyclists rode in the position I described. [1] https://iamtraffic.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/BicyclistPositionOvertakingDistance.pdf https://iamtraffic.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/BicyclistP...
    - JoeAltmaier 6y ago
      Do you ride a bike? You wouldn't say such total nonsense if you rode a bike.
      - u801e 6y ago
        I do ride at least 1000 miles a year on roads with traffic speeds ranging from 0 to 50 mph. I've been doing this for over 15 years at this point and my personal experience matches up with the results of that experiment I linked to in my previous comment. Do you cycle? Do you ride in the primary position that I described earlier by default?