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Organized, it says right there. You think that mob was organized? There was no plan Also, your CNN citation says in the headline that there was a gun found, bu

Organized, it says right there. You think that mob was organized? There was no plan Also, your CNN citation says in the headline that there was a gun found, but then the body of the article contradicts it > Some of the weapons that were confiscated had been seen being used inside the US Capitol including a baseball bat, a fire extinguisher, a wooden club, a spear, crutches, a flagpole, bear spray, mace, chemical irritants, stolen police shields, a wooden beam, a hockey stick, a stun gun, and knives. Where're the guns? CNN knows people only read headlines; they're so brazen with their narrative. After they claimed over and over that Sicknick was killed with a fire extinguisher based on zero evidence for weeks there's no reason to trust the rest of these details in an article from February are true anyway, especially if CNN can't keep the facts straight between the headline and the article body

castis 5y ago
It is absurd to assume that there were zero firearms of any kind at that event. There aren't zero firearms at children's birthday parties.
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aigen001 5y ago
Here's your gun. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1364751/download https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/13...
- TeeMassive 5y ago
  > within the District of Columbia Nothings in your court case says anything about the Capitol building.
  - CapnTrips 5y ago
    >On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, CHRISTOPHER ALBERTS, did carry and have readily accessible, a firearm, that is, a Taurus G2C semi-automatic handgun, on the United States Capitol Grounds and in any of the Capitol Buildings. In the same sentence you quoted
    - TeeMassive 5y ago
      Again, nothing mentions the Capitol Building itself (Capitol Grounds and Buildings cover a lot of spaces) and it's not like it is unusual for weapons to be seized https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/us-capitol-police-stop-seize-guns-near-complex/60055/ https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/us-capitol-police-s...
      - aigen001 5y ago
        "COUNT ONE On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, CHRISTOPHER ALBERTS, did carry and have readily accessible, a firearm, that is, a Taurus G2C semi-automatic handgun, on the United States Capitol Grounds and in any of the Capitol Buildings. COUNT TWO On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, CHRISTOPHER ALBERTS, did unlawfully and knowingly enter and remain in the United States Capitol and grounds, a restricted building and grounds, without lawful authority to do so."
        TeeMassive 5y ago
        You are aware that "capitol grounds" is not just the capitol building itself right?
- nfyjkbxa 5y ago
  Ok, sure, this guy was picked up after the riot in a mass arrest[0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1351686/download https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1351686/downl... That's one unused firearm. I guess you got me! It was a coup!
7sidedmarble 5y ago
Police literally were interviewed and said 'they were confiscating guns all day'.
- dionian 5y ago
  And they didn't press charges? It's not legal to have guns in DC in public, i thought...
  - Kim_Bruning 5y ago
    They did. (just up-thread someone posted an example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26733935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26733935 )
PhasmaFelis 5y ago
See my other comment, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26734738 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26734738. Meets the definition of insurrection, and there were many weapons present, incuding the ones you acknowledged, several unlicensed guns, and Molotovs.
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  How many people were engaged in activities that fit the definition of “insurrection” and how many have been charged with more than just trespassing? How many with conspiracy? If that number is nearly zero, out of hundreds who entered the Capitol grounds, who in turn were a small fraction of the tens of thousands in DC that day to support Trump, how can all of it and all these participants be described in such extreme terms? That seems like a false description. The reality is in the end, very few will serve jail time (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/30/jan-6-capitol-riot-jail-time-478440 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/30/jan-6-capitol-riot-...): > Although prosecutors have loaded up their charging documents with language about the existential threat of the insurrection to the republic, the actions of many of the individual rioters often boiled down to trespassing. And judges have wrestled with how aggressively to lump those cases in with those of the more sinister suspects. > “My bet is a lot of these cases will get resolved and probably without prison time or jail time,” said Erica Hashimoto, a former federal public defender who is now a law professor at Georgetown. "One of the core values of this country is that we can protest if we disagree with our government. Of course, some protests involve criminal acts, but as long as the people who are trying to express their view do not engage in violence, misdemeanors may be more appropriate than felonies.” > The prospect of dozens of Jan. 6 rioters cutting deals for minor sentences could be hard to explain for the Biden administration, which has characterized the Capitol Hill mob as a uniquely dangerous threat.
  - dang 5y ago
    It looks like your account has been using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of what they're battling for or against. There's plenty more explanation at https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme..., but the short version is that it leads to tedious, predictable, and nasty threads that destroy the curious conversation HN is supposed to exist for. If you keep this up we are going to have to ban you. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended, we'd appreciate it.

castis 5y ago

It is absurd to assume that there were zero firearms of any kind at that event. There aren't zero firearms at children's birthday parties.

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aigen001 5y ago

Here's your gun. https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/1364751/download https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/case-multi-defendant/file/13...

TeeMassive 5y ago
> within the District of Columbia Nothings in your court case says anything about the Capitol building.
- CapnTrips 5y ago
  >On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, CHRISTOPHER ALBERTS, did carry and have readily accessible, a firearm, that is, a Taurus G2C semi-automatic handgun, on the United States Capitol Grounds and in any of the Capitol Buildings. In the same sentence you quoted
  - TeeMassive 5y ago
    Again, nothing mentions the Capitol Building itself (Capitol Grounds and Buildings cover a lot of spaces) and it's not like it is unusual for weapons to be seized https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/us-capitol-police-stop-seize-guns-near-complex/60055/ https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/us-capitol-police-s...
    - aigen001 5y ago
      "COUNT ONE On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, CHRISTOPHER ALBERTS, did carry and have readily accessible, a firearm, that is, a Taurus G2C semi-automatic handgun, on the United States Capitol Grounds and in any of the Capitol Buildings. COUNT TWO On or about January 6, 2021, within the District of Columbia, CHRISTOPHER ALBERTS, did unlawfully and knowingly enter and remain in the United States Capitol and grounds, a restricted building and grounds, without lawful authority to do so."
      - TeeMassive 5y ago
        You are aware that "capitol grounds" is not just the capitol building itself right?
nfyjkbxa 5y ago
Ok, sure, this guy was picked up after the riot in a mass arrest[0] https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1351686/download https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1351686/downl... That's one unused firearm. I guess you got me! It was a coup!

7sidedmarble 5y ago

Police literally were interviewed and said 'they were confiscating guns all day'.

dionian 5y ago
And they didn't press charges? It's not legal to have guns in DC in public, i thought...
- Kim_Bruning 5y ago
  They did. (just up-thread someone posted an example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26733935 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26733935 )

PhasmaFelis 5y ago

See my other comment, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26734738 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26734738. Meets the definition of insurrection, and there were many weapons present, incuding the ones you acknowledged, several unlicensed guns, and Molotovs.

throwawaysea 5y ago
How many people were engaged in activities that fit the definition of “insurrection” and how many have been charged with more than just trespassing? How many with conspiracy? If that number is nearly zero, out of hundreds who entered the Capitol grounds, who in turn were a small fraction of the tens of thousands in DC that day to support Trump, how can all of it and all these participants be described in such extreme terms? That seems like a false description. The reality is in the end, very few will serve jail time (https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/30/jan-6-capitol-riot-jail-time-478440 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/30/jan-6-capitol-riot-...): > Although prosecutors have loaded up their charging documents with language about the existential threat of the insurrection to the republic, the actions of many of the individual rioters often boiled down to trespassing. And judges have wrestled with how aggressively to lump those cases in with those of the more sinister suspects. > “My bet is a lot of these cases will get resolved and probably without prison time or jail time,” said Erica Hashimoto, a former federal public defender who is now a law professor at Georgetown. "One of the core values of this country is that we can protest if we disagree with our government. Of course, some protests involve criminal acts, but as long as the people who are trying to express their view do not engage in violence, misdemeanors may be more appropriate than felonies.” > The prospect of dozens of Jan. 6 rioters cutting deals for minor sentences could be hard to explain for the Biden administration, which has characterized the Capitol Hill mob as a uniquely dangerous threat.
- dang 5y ago
  It looks like your account has been using HN primarily for political and ideological battle. We ban accounts that do that, regardless of what they're battling for or against. There's plenty more explanation at https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme..., but the short version is that it leads to tedious, predictable, and nasty threads that destroy the curious conversation HN is supposed to exist for. If you keep this up we are going to have to ban you. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended, we'd appreciate it.