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I have to disagree a bit. There have been plenty of laypeople who have advanced the general knowledge of anabolics for purposes of abuse. See: https://en.wikipe

I have to disagree a bit. There have been plenty of laypeople who have advanced the general knowledge of anabolics for purposes of abuse. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Duchaine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Duchaine But: I’d be scared if I had a doctor who know anything about tren. Trenbolone was never approved for humans. It’s for making thicc cows. In fact, if your doctor does know about tren, check the diploma on the wall, because your HMO might have actually put you with a veterinarian to save money. (But then you might be able to score trenbolone and ketamine from that vet. Hmm. Ideas…)

bedobi 6y ago
It's kind of semantics but I guess it depends on the definition of "knowledge". I happily agree bro scientist bodybuilders have advanced our knowledge of performance enhancing drugs in some ways, if nothing else by simply abusing the drugs and observing their effects on body composition, blood markers etc. But most of that knowledge was already available from the clinical trials or animal studies for the drugs anyway. And while the bro scientist bodybuilders like to think they know a lot about what's actually going on in the body, how to combine the drugs and ancilliaries etc etc, their understanding and resulting advice is very often overly simplistic or just wrong. It's unfortunate and kind of important because it demonstrably leads to people thinking they're making informed choices knowing about the risks etc, but still end up making preventable mistakes with potentially very severe consequences for their health and lives.
- smsm42 6y ago
  > But most of that knowledge was already available from the clinical trials Why would there be clinical studies of a drug that is never intended for human use? Clinical studies are expensive, and no drug company would do human study on a veterinary drug just to see what happens (leaving alone ethical issues with getting study subjects). > animal studies for the drugs anyway. Animal studies only go so far...
  - bedobi 6y ago
    The drugs in question are absolutely intended and trialed for human use. It's just that they don't pass the approval process, or they did back in the 60s-80s, saw virtually no legitimate clinical use, and were discontinued.

bedobi 6y ago

It's kind of semantics but I guess it depends on the definition of "knowledge". I happily agree bro scientist bodybuilders have advanced our knowledge of performance enhancing drugs in some ways, if nothing else by simply abusing the drugs and observing their effects on body composition, blood markers etc. But most of that knowledge was already available from the clinical trials or animal studies for the drugs anyway. And while the bro scientist bodybuilders like to think they know a lot about what's actually going on in the body, how to combine the drugs and ancilliaries etc etc, their understanding and resulting advice is very often overly simplistic or just wrong. It's unfortunate and kind of important because it demonstrably leads to people thinking they're making informed choices knowing about the risks etc, but still end up making preventable mistakes with potentially very severe consequences for their health and lives.

smsm42 6y ago
> But most of that knowledge was already available from the clinical trials Why would there be clinical studies of a drug that is never intended for human use? Clinical studies are expensive, and no drug company would do human study on a veterinary drug just to see what happens (leaving alone ethical issues with getting study subjects). > animal studies for the drugs anyway. Animal studies only go so far...
- bedobi 6y ago
  The drugs in question are absolutely intended and trialed for human use. It's just that they don't pass the approval process, or they did back in the 60s-80s, saw virtually no legitimate clinical use, and were discontinued.