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Except this isn't a justice system, and doesn't have consequences remotely similar to a justice system. I've taken a -30 karma hit for this particular opinion

by Bud 6y ago

Except this isn't a justice system, and doesn't have consequences remotely similar to a justice system. I've taken a -30 karma hit for this particular opinion already, despite very polite language. May as well go for -35.

falcolas 6y ago
Tell that to people who are now without jobs because of witchhunts. Jobs which are required in our society to have food on the table, a roof over your head. Some folks who have been dropped from Twitch thanks to mob justice - where there's no actual crime - can't find a job in the entertainment industry anymore. Imagine being completely blacklisted from your industry because you were reported to have made someone uncomfortable (whether it actually happened or not). Google never forgets, and people never forgive. EDIT: To me, politeness doesn't make up for encouraging vigilante justice. My state has a long history of vigilante justice, and it's not pretty.
- Bud 6y ago
  You're still misstating the issue; the "justice" in question isn't being executed by "vigilantes". It's a reaction of large institutions to someone's conduct.
  - falcolas 6y ago
    That's because I see zero difference between an institution and a mob of individuals. It's still extra-legal justice handed out by people. One simply does so while also holding a business license. EDIT: To be concrete: Pinkerton's (a corporation) was just as bad as the lynch mobs.
kansface 6y ago
How is losing your livelihood, potentially being blacklisted from the industry entirely, not commensurate to judicial punishment? That’s exactly the sort of punishment we impose on computer hackers.
- Bud 6y ago
  If you can't tell the difference between that and jail, I'm not sure how I can explain it better to you.
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  - kansface 6y ago
    Why do you think jail is the only punishment doled out by the judicial system? As I just wrote, we ban computer hackers from using computers for life - that's not jail. ~Cancellation~ exile was a preferred punishment, also not jail. We currently sentence people to community service and other metered, lesser acts of contrition/penance/punishment. For instance, we make graffiti artists clean up their art with soap and water (still not jail). Another favored punishment is the fine, in which society confiscates ill-begotten proceeds or perhaps resorts to mere punishment as recompense. I don't see much of a difference between a judge issuing a fine and an Internet mob merely destroying your life besides due process.

by Bud 6y ago

falcolas 6y ago

Tell that to people who are now without jobs because of witchhunts. Jobs which are required in our society to have food on the table, a roof over your head. Some folks who have been dropped from Twitch thanks to mob justice - where there's no actual crime - can't find a job in the entertainment industry anymore. Imagine being completely blacklisted from your industry because you were reported to have made someone uncomfortable (whether it actually happened or not). Google never forgets, and people never forgive. EDIT: To me, politeness doesn't make up for encouraging vigilante justice. My state has a long history of vigilante justice, and it's not pretty.

Bud 6y ago
You're still misstating the issue; the "justice" in question isn't being executed by "vigilantes". It's a reaction of large institutions to someone's conduct.
- falcolas 6y ago
  That's because I see zero difference between an institution and a mob of individuals. It's still extra-legal justice handed out by people. One simply does so while also holding a business license. EDIT: To be concrete: Pinkerton's (a corporation) was just as bad as the lynch mobs.

kansface 6y ago

How is losing your livelihood, potentially being blacklisted from the industry entirely, not commensurate to judicial punishment? That’s exactly the sort of punishment we impose on computer hackers.

Bud 6y ago
If you can't tell the difference between that and jail, I'm not sure how I can explain it better to you.
- deleted 6y ago
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- kansface 6y ago
  Why do you think jail is the only punishment doled out by the judicial system? As I just wrote, we ban computer hackers from using computers for life - that's not jail. ~Cancellation~ exile was a preferred punishment, also not jail. We currently sentence people to community service and other metered, lesser acts of contrition/penance/punishment. For instance, we make graffiti artists clean up their art with soap and water (still not jail). Another favored punishment is the fine, in which society confiscates ill-begotten proceeds or perhaps resorts to mere punishment as recompense. I don't see much of a difference between a judge issuing a fine and an Internet mob merely destroying your life besides due process.