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Well, just like anything can be securities fraud, anything can be a political lie. It just depends on perspective.

by Alupis 6y ago

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
Right, but Trump wasn't suspended for political lying. He was suspended for inciting violence. Political lying is not a violation of the terms of service, so far as I am aware.
- Alupis 6y ago
  And the other side can point to the congressional hearings that didn't conclude he directly incited any violence. It's a tit-for-tat sort of thing, which is incredibly dangerous when we're talking about how the general public is "allowed" to consume information.
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    My point, which you continually seem to miss or ignore, is this: Trump said things that could be construed as violating terms of service (even though congressional hearings did not conclude that he did incite violence). And so we're in a he said/she said situation - was it incitement to violence, or not? But even if you don't agree, you could see that Twitter could consider it incitement to violence without being completely insane or completely political. Biden has not, to the best of my knowledge, said anything that could sanely be considered incitement to violence. Banning him would not be in the same category as banning Trump. It would be much more blatantly political, because the excuse would be much more transparent.
    - Alupis 6y ago
      Has Biden not violated Facebook and Twitters TOS when he deliberately continues his messaging about the Georgia voting laws? If you spend 2 minutes reading the thing, you'll see his claims are false at best, and deliberate misinformation at worst. Are we to just ban politics from these platforms wholesale?
      - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        Deliberate misinformation != incitement to violence. What part of that is so hard to understand? Is lying against Twitter's TOS? If so, then you have a sensible point. But I kind of doubt that it is...
        Alupis 6y ago
        The spread of deliberate misinformation is banned on both Twitter and Facebook. Here's Facebooks[1] You may not use our Products to do or share anything: * That is unlawful, misleading, discriminatory or fraudulent. Here's an entire section from Facebook regarding "False News"[2]. Joe Biden's rhetoric regarding the Georgia State voting laws is clearly 2-3 of those. Why has he not been banned yet? And the incitement of violence thing has been debunked pretty clearly. If one guy at Twitter can decide something was inciteful just because that's their opinion - despite all evidence presented during Congressional Hearings, then we're far more lost than previously assumed. [1] https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms/plain_text_terms https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms/plain_text_terms [2] https://www.facebook.com/communitystandards/false_news https://www.facebook.com/communitystandards/false_news

Well, just like anything can be securities fraud, anything can be a political lie. It just depends on perspective.

by Alupis 6y ago

Well, just like anything can be securities fraud, anything can be a political lie. It just depends on perspective.

Right, but Trump wasn't suspended for political lying. He was suspended for inciting violence. Political lying is not a violation of the terms of service, so far as I am aware.

Alupis 6y ago
And the other side can point to the congressional hearings that didn't conclude he directly incited any violence. It's a tit-for-tat sort of thing, which is incredibly dangerous when we're talking about how the general public is "allowed" to consume information.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  My point, which you continually seem to miss or ignore, is this: Trump said things that could be construed as violating terms of service (even though congressional hearings did not conclude that he did incite violence). And so we're in a he said/she said situation - was it incitement to violence, or not? But even if you don't agree, you could see that Twitter could consider it incitement to violence without being completely insane or completely political. Biden has not, to the best of my knowledge, said anything that could sanely be considered incitement to violence. Banning him would not be in the same category as banning Trump. It would be much more blatantly political, because the excuse would be much more transparent.
  - Alupis 6y ago
    Has Biden not violated Facebook and Twitters TOS when he deliberately continues his messaging about the Georgia voting laws? If you spend 2 minutes reading the thing, you'll see his claims are false at best, and deliberate misinformation at worst. Are we to just ban politics from these platforms wholesale?
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      Deliberate misinformation != incitement to violence. What part of that is so hard to understand? Is lying against Twitter's TOS? If so, then you have a sensible point. But I kind of doubt that it is...
      - Alupis 6y ago
        The spread of deliberate misinformation is banned on both Twitter and Facebook. Here's Facebooks[1] You may not use our Products to do or share anything: * That is unlawful, misleading, discriminatory or fraudulent. Here's an entire section from Facebook regarding "False News"[2]. Joe Biden's rhetoric regarding the Georgia State voting laws is clearly 2-3 of those. Why has he not been banned yet? And the incitement of violence thing has been debunked pretty clearly. If one guy at Twitter can decide something was inciteful just because that's their opinion - despite all evidence presented during Congressional Hearings, then we're far more lost than previously assumed. [1] https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms/plain_text_terms https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms/plain_text_terms [2] https://www.facebook.com/communitystandards/false_news https://www.facebook.com/communitystandards/false_news