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There was no "red scare". Joe McCarthy was simply holding Communists accountable for their beliefs.

by adzzzz 5y ago

BitwiseFool 5y ago
This is such an apt retort that I'm sure people are downvoting you out of pure cognitive dissonance.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  He's being down-voted because it's whataboutism. It's no different than the 50 Cent Army that suddenly cares about Native Americans when the topic of the Uyghurs comes up. Yes, the red scare was bad, yes the US's treatment of indigenous people was bad. Everyone agrees about this. There's no school district in the US that uses a history textbook that says the Sioux deserved it and McCarthy had the right idea. The fact that similiar bad things happened in the past does not excuse them in the present. If anything it makes it more reprehensible that they happen today despite the example of what to do.
  - BitwiseFool 5y ago
    Whataboutism can sometimes be a valid declaration of hypocrisy.
    - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
      But there's no hypocrisy. Nobody is saying McCarthy was right or endorsing his tactics. Edit: It appears I may have misinterpreted the initial comments sarcasm as a "if McCarthy could do it then it's fair game" rather than a criticism of modern outrage mob tactics.
      - a1369209993 5y ago
        > Nobody is saying McCarthy was right or endorsing his tactics. You are correct that they are in fact not saying that; the hypocrisy is in then turning around and saying that cancel culture is right and endorsing their tactics.
      - BitwiseFool 5y ago
        I don't understand where you're coming from because I absolutely see the woke crowd using McCarthyite tactics.
      - kansface 5y ago
        Plenty of people in this thread have effectively endorsed McCarthyism. You don't have to look far - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26730485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26730485
- ta20210405 5y ago
  It's insanely apt and spot on. I'm going to be using it from now on.
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  Why can't they just disagree with the analogy? After all, analogies are inherently a comparison of two different things. People are prone to reaching for analogies as essentially just an insulting oversimplification, by pointing to something Very Bad (frequently a dramatic historical horror) and simply declaring that it is equivalent to whatever they're criticizing. Part of the allure is the positive feedback back-patting that frequently comes with it, without adding anything else (e.g. your reply, and the "insanely apt" reply from a now-banned account). Regardless, it's destructive to reasoned discourse to treat people like enemies ("cognitive dissonance" is being used as an insult here) when the only thing you know is that they disagreed with you.

There was no "red scare". Joe McCarthy was simply holding Communists accountable for their beliefs.

by adzzzz 5y ago

There was no "red scare". Joe McCarthy was simply holding Communists accountable for their beliefs.

BitwiseFool 5y ago

This is such an apt retort that I'm sure people are downvoting you out of pure cognitive dissonance.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
He's being down-voted because it's whataboutism. It's no different than the 50 Cent Army that suddenly cares about Native Americans when the topic of the Uyghurs comes up. Yes, the red scare was bad, yes the US's treatment of indigenous people was bad. Everyone agrees about this. There's no school district in the US that uses a history textbook that says the Sioux deserved it and McCarthy had the right idea. The fact that similiar bad things happened in the past does not excuse them in the present. If anything it makes it more reprehensible that they happen today despite the example of what to do.
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  Whataboutism can sometimes be a valid declaration of hypocrisy.
  - throwaway0a5e 5y ago
    But there's no hypocrisy. Nobody is saying McCarthy was right or endorsing his tactics. Edit: It appears I may have misinterpreted the initial comments sarcasm as a "if McCarthy could do it then it's fair game" rather than a criticism of modern outrage mob tactics.
    - a1369209993 5y ago
      > Nobody is saying McCarthy was right or endorsing his tactics. You are correct that they are in fact not saying that; the hypocrisy is in then turning around and saying that cancel culture is right and endorsing their tactics.
    - BitwiseFool 5y ago
      I don't understand where you're coming from because I absolutely see the woke crowd using McCarthyite tactics.
    - kansface 5y ago
      Plenty of people in this thread have effectively endorsed McCarthyism. You don't have to look far - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26730485 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26730485
ta20210405 5y ago
It's insanely apt and spot on. I'm going to be using it from now on.
happytoexplain 5y ago
Why can't they just disagree with the analogy? After all, analogies are inherently a comparison of two different things. People are prone to reaching for analogies as essentially just an insulting oversimplification, by pointing to something Very Bad (frequently a dramatic historical horror) and simply declaring that it is equivalent to whatever they're criticizing. Part of the allure is the positive feedback back-patting that frequently comes with it, without adding anything else (e.g. your reply, and the "insanely apt" reply from a now-banned account). Regardless, it's destructive to reasoned discourse to treat people like enemies ("cognitive dissonance" is being used as an insult here) when the only thing you know is that they disagreed with you.