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> Your 2nd source links to Hasan saying "America deserved 9/11". Maybe it did.

paxys 5y ago
It's hilarious that in a thread full of people hating on companies for deplatforming people for their opinions, you are getting massively downvoted for voicing your own opinion. Goes to show that no one really wants "free speech".
- alacombe 5y ago
  > Goes to show that no one really wants "free speech". Especially not on HN, where the SV/SJW group think prevail. Argument I often get is "you are free to voice your opinions and we are free to massively downvote you", well, same happened with 9/11, the US elites have been cunts to the whole world (including to "The People" and still are), they are totally free to be, by then 9/11 came as a big slap in Wall Street America face, maybe they deserved it...
  - dang 5y ago
    We've asked you many times to stop using HN for ideological battle. Since you've ignored those requests and done even more of it, I've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. As for "SJW group think", that sort of generalization is entirely determined by your own priors. The opposite side has different priors and sees HN in exactly the opposite way. Both views are not only imaginary, they're actually the same phenomenon with just one bit flipped. Lots of examples here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870. Countless other explanations at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20notice%20dislike&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu....
- echelon 5y ago
  It's a minority (on both sides of the political spectrum) that doesn't want free speech, but they're very vocal about it. It's fascism, regardless of who is doing it. As long as the country and constitution remain in the "defend to the death your right to say it", we'll be fine. Diversity of ideas and opinions should be celebrated.
- sweetheart 5y ago
  I think you’re confused as to what upvoting and downvoting are for. The voting system is design to lift up comments that provide value to the discussion, and hide comments that don’t. Someone being downvoted doesn’t mean everyone is disagreeing with them, or punishing them for their opinion, rather just recognizing that it doesn’t bring any value to the topic of conversation.
  - paxys 5y ago
    > Someone being downvoted doesn’t mean everyone is disagreeing with them, or punishing them for their opinion Regardless of what the rules are, in practice this is exactly how upvoting/downvoting works on sites like Reddit and this one. You can't override basic human nature with loose guidelines.
  - dec0dedab0de 5y ago
    Voting is primarily a way to express that you agree/disagree without adding a redundant comment. Maybe you're thinking of other sites that are indeed intended to be used that way.
    - Thorrez 5y ago
      > Maybe you're thinking of other sites that are indeed intended to be used that way. Do you have an example? It also seems probable that HN intended voting to be used that way as well. The intended use case isn't always what users use something for.
      - dec0dedab0de 5y ago
        I might be wrong about the initial intention, but it's been the norm as long as I can remember, here is a comment from pg in 2008. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  People who don't want free speech are usually the ones complaining about how other people exercise their free speech in ways that counter their own message. Like voting on comments, for example. That's free speech too. That said, HN is definitely not anything even remotely resembling a free speech platform, in concept or execution. It's the recruitment platform for Y Combinator, and all decisions are made here to optimize for that.
  - kodah 5y ago
    You certainly misunderstand the purpose of HN and now it makes your earlier comments much more clear.
    - dang 5y ago
      Please don't cross into personal attack.
  - dang 5y ago
    That's not what HN is optimized for. I can tell you that for sure because it's my job to (attempt to) optimize it and I've posted about this many times over many years: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=yc%20business%20interests%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      Part of the marketing is that you don’t admit to the actual purpose, or at least that you’re not exposed to that reality.
      - dang 5y ago
        It's shitty marketing not to admit to one's actual purpose. People can feel that. Also, it would be soul destroying to work at a job that required it. It's much better when your real purpose is aligned with what you say it is, and also with what you actually do. I find that's possible with HN, and it's one thing I like about the job. It's totally ok if you don't believe me, but if you want to take the time to read the past explanations at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=yc%20business%20interests%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so..., I'd be super curious to hear what you think is wrong with them. For me the interesting thing about HN is that keeping the community happy—by gratifying curiosity—is the thing that produces value for YC.
- deleted 5y ago
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- dang 5y ago
  Please don't perpetuate tedious, nasty flamewars on HN. It's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dang 5y ago
Flamebait like this will get you banned on HN. We don't care what you're flaming for or against; we care about HN threads not being set on fire, or sent into deeper circles of hell. No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It's hilarious that in a thread full of people hating on companies for deplatforming people for their opinions, you are getting massively downvoted for voicing your own opinion. Goes to show that no one really wants "free speech".

alacombe 5y ago
> Goes to show that no one really wants "free speech". Especially not on HN, where the SV/SJW group think prevail. Argument I often get is "you are free to voice your opinions and we are free to massively downvote you", well, same happened with 9/11, the US elites have been cunts to the whole world (including to "The People" and still are), they are totally free to be, by then 9/11 came as a big slap in Wall Street America face, maybe they deserved it...
- dang 5y ago
  We've asked you many times to stop using HN for ideological battle. Since you've ignored those requests and done even more of it, I've banned this account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. As for "SJW group think", that sort of generalization is entirely determined by your own priors. The opposite side has different priors and sees HN in exactly the opposite way. Both views are not only imaginary, they're actually the same phenomenon with just one bit flipped. Lots of examples here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870. Countless other explanations at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&query=by%3Adang%20notice%20dislike&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu....
echelon 5y ago
It's a minority (on both sides of the political spectrum) that doesn't want free speech, but they're very vocal about it. It's fascism, regardless of who is doing it. As long as the country and constitution remain in the "defend to the death your right to say it", we'll be fine. Diversity of ideas and opinions should be celebrated.
sweetheart 5y ago
I think you’re confused as to what upvoting and downvoting are for. The voting system is design to lift up comments that provide value to the discussion, and hide comments that don’t. Someone being downvoted doesn’t mean everyone is disagreeing with them, or punishing them for their opinion, rather just recognizing that it doesn’t bring any value to the topic of conversation.
- paxys 5y ago
  > Someone being downvoted doesn’t mean everyone is disagreeing with them, or punishing them for their opinion Regardless of what the rules are, in practice this is exactly how upvoting/downvoting works on sites like Reddit and this one. You can't override basic human nature with loose guidelines.
- dec0dedab0de 5y ago
  Voting is primarily a way to express that you agree/disagree without adding a redundant comment. Maybe you're thinking of other sites that are indeed intended to be used that way.
  - Thorrez 5y ago
    > Maybe you're thinking of other sites that are indeed intended to be used that way. Do you have an example? It also seems probable that HN intended voting to be used that way as well. The intended use case isn't always what users use something for.
    - dec0dedab0de 5y ago
      I might be wrong about the initial intention, but it's been the norm as long as I can remember, here is a comment from pg in 2008. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171
TameAntelope 5y ago
People who don't want free speech are usually the ones complaining about how other people exercise their free speech in ways that counter their own message. Like voting on comments, for example. That's free speech too. That said, HN is definitely not anything even remotely resembling a free speech platform, in concept or execution. It's the recruitment platform for Y Combinator, and all decisions are made here to optimize for that.
- kodah 5y ago
  You certainly misunderstand the purpose of HN and now it makes your earlier comments much more clear.
  - dang 5y ago
    Please don't cross into personal attack.
- dang 5y ago
  That's not what HN is optimized for. I can tell you that for sure because it's my job to (attempt to) optimize it and I've posted about this many times over many years: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=curiosity%20optimiz%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=yc%20business%20interests%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    Part of the marketing is that you don’t admit to the actual purpose, or at least that you’re not exposed to that reality.
    - dang 5y ago
      It's shitty marketing not to admit to one's actual purpose. People can feel that. Also, it would be soul destroying to work at a job that required it. It's much better when your real purpose is aligned with what you say it is, and also with what you actually do. I find that's possible with HN, and it's one thing I like about the job. It's totally ok if you don't believe me, but if you want to take the time to read the past explanations at https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=yc%20business%20interests%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so..., I'd be super curious to hear what you think is wrong with them. For me the interesting thing about HN is that keeping the community happy—by gratifying curiosity—is the thing that produces value for YC.
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dang 5y ago
Please don't perpetuate tedious, nasty flamewars on HN. It's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dang 5y ago

Flamebait like this will get you banned on HN. We don't care what you're flaming for or against; we care about HN threads not being set on fire, or sent into deeper circles of hell. No more of this, please. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html