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Free speech is several principles. One is that you should be free to express yourself. Another is that others should not be able to coerce you into forced speec

by tssva 6y ago

Free speech is several principles. One is that you should be free to express yourself. Another is that others should not be able to coerce you into forced speech. Many commenters on HN like to forget that 2nd part because most of their 'solutions" to the first principle violate the 2nd.

SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
So if I say bad things on Twitch OR ELSEWHERE, that this is “their speech”? I disagree, but what you are saying is Twitch is a publisher, not a platform? If Twitch can’t be compelled to publish my unpopular comments, then any comments they do publish should be legally theirs, and if illegal be held liable for them? Something tells me you aren’t on board anymore. Are you trying to have it all-the-ways? That Citizens United is wrong and companies don’t have free speech, but also that companies don’t need to recognize free speech but can retain their platform status (when convenient), then also Citizen’s United is right and companies have any speech they want if it means restricting yours? Quick question... socially, what do we do when I’m banned from Twitch for saying something NOT ON TWITCH that was at the time unpopular but eventually proven correct? Or similarly let’s say I quote the CDC website but am banned because the data is unpopular. Or lastly I quote something that was true at the time according to “official sources” (sarcasm detectable) but later incorrect and I’m retro actively banned? Instead of all this shifting convenience and liquid enforceability... maybe we just stick to free speech and take the small bad with the giant good? Seems morally just and logically reasonable to me.
HanayamaTriplet 6y ago
There are already narrowly-defined exceptions to the freedom of association in the form of anti-discrimination laws. There is clearly a question of balance to be made.
- mlindner 6y ago
  Indeed. Unfortunately there's no governmental protection in the US of "political discrimination". Political view differences are not a protected class at the moment.

by tssva 6y ago

SV_BubbleTime 6y ago

So if I say bad things on Twitch OR ELSEWHERE, that this is “their speech”? I disagree, but what you are saying is Twitch is a publisher, not a platform? If Twitch can’t be compelled to publish my unpopular comments, then any comments they do publish should be legally theirs, and if illegal be held liable for them? Something tells me you aren’t on board anymore. Are you trying to have it all-the-ways? That Citizens United is wrong and companies don’t have free speech, but also that companies don’t need to recognize free speech but can retain their platform status (when convenient), then also Citizen’s United is right and companies have any speech they want if it means restricting yours? Quick question... socially, what do we do when I’m banned from Twitch for saying something NOT ON TWITCH that was at the time unpopular but eventually proven correct? Or similarly let’s say I quote the CDC website but am banned because the data is unpopular. Or lastly I quote something that was true at the time according to “official sources” (sarcasm detectable) but later incorrect and I’m retro actively banned? Instead of all this shifting convenience and liquid enforceability... maybe we just stick to free speech and take the small bad with the giant good? Seems morally just and logically reasonable to me.

HanayamaTriplet 6y ago

There are already narrowly-defined exceptions to the freedom of association in the form of anti-discrimination laws. There is clearly a question of balance to be made.

mlindner 6y ago
Indeed. Unfortunately there's no governmental protection in the US of "political discrimination". Political view differences are not a protected class at the moment.