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Ontario declares a third state of emergency

4 points by nomy99 6y ago

nickthemagicman 6y ago
These waves continue to happen BECAUSE of the stay at home orders and not letting the young go out and become immune. Almost every place that had loose restrictions is all but done with Corona if you look at daily infection rate.
- nomy99 6y ago
  The situation in Brazil contradicts your point.
  - nickthemagicman 6y ago
    Maybe it supports my point. People are getting infected and people are getting vaccinated. They'll be hitting herd immunity at some point at which point they are completely done with Coronavirus. Meanwhile New Zealand, San Diego, and Ontario will continue to shut down over and over. Looking forward to seeing the permanent downward trend in Brazil once they hit the inflection point. More people under the age of 55 years old die of car accidents every year than of Coronavirus. My point is solid, your point is vague.
    - Mandatum 6y ago
      New Zealand has just opened up a 2-way travel bubble with Australia.. In 2 weeks we'll have free international travel between the countries, looking to include Singapore or Taiwan soon after. We don't wear masks, our healthcare system isn't suffering and vaccines have started rolling out. We waited, we played it safe - people survived and with industry and government support we're almost past it.
      - nickthemagicman 6y ago
        You all literally shut down again within the past month. You're locked away from the rest of the world and have been for over a year. Your economy has contracted 1% and with the continued border closures doesn't look promising in the future either. New Zealand has only vaccinated 0.9% of the population to date, so this is going to drag on for years to come at this rate of vaccine distribution, with MORE economic downturn. I can't even imagine how many small businesses are gone. You may even be forced to open up at some point so people can work. And your population will be completely immunologically naive. Covid is not over for your country yet. Talk to me when you've reached herd immunity. https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/new-zealand/ https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-m... Locking down 80% of a population of people under the age of 55 whose fatality rate is less than car accidents for over a year is madness.
        Mandatum 6y ago
        > And New Zealand has only vaccinated 0.9% of the population to date, so this is going to drag on for a while to come. They're waiting for vaccine delivery - expected in July. Australia and New Zealand both had shipments blocked by the EU and US. Also the lockdowns we experienced over the last month have only been for a few days and only for a small region to ensure the outbreak is contained. 1% contraction for countries usually thought to entirely depend on international trade and tourism doesn't really seem major. But sure, your version of my country is probably more accurate than my own.
        nickthemagicman 6y ago
        My point is...you're not over with Corona until your population is immune...so you're speaking too soon. Going to be interesting to see what happens with quarantine free travel and an immunologically naieve population and shutdowns.
        selimthegrim 6y ago
        How on Earth can you work at Tulane and live in NOLA and write this? Were you here last March and April? Are you and I living in different planes of existence that merely intersect physically? Only closed islands are going to get to herd immunity naturally. Look at Hotez's interview here: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/health/article/Dr-Peter-Hotez-return-to-normal-covid-summer-gray-16087488.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/health/a... "To make things worse, we’re starting to see now, in the upper Midwest, a number of young adults getting very sick. The COVID-19 narrative has always been that it affects older individuals. That was never entirely true, especially among African American and Hispanic populations. But we’re seeing now a lot of young adults get sick. That gives me pause for concern — as does its transmissibility among young people."
- kmos17 6y ago
  You do realize the young going out and becoming immune is what is filling up hospitals? The vast majority of young people have older or vulnerable people in their life. We’ve so far had 10x the number of deaths in the US compared to a bad flu season. Places that had effective lockdowns with actual enforcement have had much lower death rates.
  - nickthemagicman 6y ago
    Not a single hospital has been filled up anywhere including places that had loose restrictions. That's been a sensational argument since day one that's been proven to be false time and time again. You can probably dig some article up on Google about some hospitals somewhere filling up but overall this has not happened.

4 points by nomy99 6y ago

These waves continue to happen BECAUSE of the stay at home orders and not letting the young go out and become immune. Almost every place that had loose restrictions is all but done with Corona if you look at daily infection rate.

nomy99 6y ago
The situation in Brazil contradicts your point.
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  Maybe it supports my point. People are getting infected and people are getting vaccinated. They'll be hitting herd immunity at some point at which point they are completely done with Coronavirus. Meanwhile New Zealand, San Diego, and Ontario will continue to shut down over and over. Looking forward to seeing the permanent downward trend in Brazil once they hit the inflection point. More people under the age of 55 years old die of car accidents every year than of Coronavirus. My point is solid, your point is vague.
  - Mandatum 6y ago
    New Zealand has just opened up a 2-way travel bubble with Australia.. In 2 weeks we'll have free international travel between the countries, looking to include Singapore or Taiwan soon after. We don't wear masks, our healthcare system isn't suffering and vaccines have started rolling out. We waited, we played it safe - people survived and with industry and government support we're almost past it.
    - nickthemagicman 6y ago
      You all literally shut down again within the past month. You're locked away from the rest of the world and have been for over a year. Your economy has contracted 1% and with the continued border closures doesn't look promising in the future either. New Zealand has only vaccinated 0.9% of the population to date, so this is going to drag on for years to come at this rate of vaccine distribution, with MORE economic downturn. I can't even imagine how many small businesses are gone. You may even be forced to open up at some point so people can work. And your population will be completely immunologically naive. Covid is not over for your country yet. Talk to me when you've reached herd immunity. https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/new-zealand/ https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-m... Locking down 80% of a population of people under the age of 55 whose fatality rate is less than car accidents for over a year is madness.
      - Mandatum 6y ago
        > And New Zealand has only vaccinated 0.9% of the population to date, so this is going to drag on for a while to come. They're waiting for vaccine delivery - expected in July. Australia and New Zealand both had shipments blocked by the EU and US. Also the lockdowns we experienced over the last month have only been for a few days and only for a small region to ensure the outbreak is contained. 1% contraction for countries usually thought to entirely depend on international trade and tourism doesn't really seem major. But sure, your version of my country is probably more accurate than my own.
        nickthemagicman 6y ago
        My point is...you're not over with Corona until your population is immune...so you're speaking too soon. Going to be interesting to see what happens with quarantine free travel and an immunologically naieve population and shutdowns.
        selimthegrim 6y ago
        How on Earth can you work at Tulane and live in NOLA and write this? Were you here last March and April? Are you and I living in different planes of existence that merely intersect physically? Only closed islands are going to get to herd immunity naturally. Look at Hotez's interview here: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/health/article/Dr-Peter-Hotez-return-to-normal-covid-summer-gray-16087488.php https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/health/a... "To make things worse, we’re starting to see now, in the upper Midwest, a number of young adults getting very sick. The COVID-19 narrative has always been that it affects older individuals. That was never entirely true, especially among African American and Hispanic populations. But we’re seeing now a lot of young adults get sick. That gives me pause for concern — as does its transmissibility among young people."
kmos17 6y ago
You do realize the young going out and becoming immune is what is filling up hospitals? The vast majority of young people have older or vulnerable people in their life. We’ve so far had 10x the number of deaths in the US compared to a bad flu season. Places that had effective lockdowns with actual enforcement have had much lower death rates.
- nickthemagicman 6y ago
  Not a single hospital has been filled up anywhere including places that had loose restrictions. That's been a sensational argument since day one that's been proven to be false time and time again. You can probably dig some article up on Google about some hospitals somewhere filling up but overall this has not happened.