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YouTube is still a great place. And yes, it has a multitude of problems, but personally I don't believe it's YouTube's job to make it a completely safe space fo

YouTube is still a great place. And yes, it has a multitude of problems, but personally I don't believe it's YouTube's job to make it a completely safe space for kids. Just like with television, it's a parent/guardian's role to parent their kids and set boundaries.

ericmay 6y ago
> I don't believe it's YouTube's job to make it a completely safe space for kids I would say it is if the product is literally YouTube Kids... [1] [1] https://www.youtubekids.com https://www.youtubekids.com
- karmicthreat 6y ago
  And they did, it's just that something so "safe" is just completely bland and useless.
  - wffurr 6y ago
    It depends on your definition of "safe". YT Kids might be completely safe from violent sexual content, but it's a "vapid wasteland" of content optimized for the engagement algorithm, which has no values other than watch time. YT Kids videos (see some examples above) are highly tuned dopamine production displays with little educational content. There is good content on YouTube, like Cbeebies and BBC Earth, but that's not what tends to bubble up on the recommendation system. Even trying to watch individual videos or channels that I do like doesn't work well, because my two year old sees the recommendations and starts demanding what one, and now I have to say "no" to something that shouldn't have been offered in the first place. I've taken to saying "you can watch anything you want on PBS Kids" in response to demands for YouTube videos of various sorts.
  - mywittyname 6y ago
    It's not bland and useless. It's only safe for a very narrow definition of the word. It's "safe" in the sense that kids won't see boobies or hear potty words on the videos. But it's unsafe in that they will be constantly inundated with marketing content that is proven to be very effective on kids.
- fuzzer37 6y ago
  From their website [0] > YouTube Kids was created to give kids a more contained environment that makes it simpler and more fun for them to explore on their own, and easier for parents and caregivers to guide their journey as they discover new and exciting interests along the way. And from TFA, > The letter claimed that one research team, which it did not name, found only about 4% of videos had a high educational value. Much of the rest was low quality content such as toy unboxing and videos of people playing video games. I don't see how those 2 things are incompatible with each other. Not all children's programming needs to be "highly educational". I'd say toy unboxing and videos of people playing (child friendly, hopefully) video games is totally fine. Parents just need to stop using an iPad as a babysitter and actually limit the amount of time they're watching things. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/kids/ https://www.youtube.com/kids/
  - wffurr 6y ago
    So much of that low quality dreck is really really far from "new and exciting interests" or safe for kids to "explore on their own". Blaming parents is pretty far off base here. The whole point of the app is to let kids use it on their own, but it's clearly not safe to do so, because they'll rapidly trigger the recommendation algorithm into some dopamine-producing engagement-optimized garbage. You can direct your kids to only watch stuff you approve of, but as soon as the recommendations start coming up, you're put in the position of saying "no", which with toddlers often leads to disproportionate screaming fits. I'd rather save dealing with that for the times when it's actually important to say "no" rather than trying to screen out some crappy low quality toy videos. I've deleted the YouTube app and instead given my toddler free reign with the PBS Kids app. Much higher quality content that I'm happy to support with donations to PBS and WGBH.
elmomle 6y ago
And yet it's apparent that many, perhaps the majority, of parents fail to do a decent job of that. If most of society will exercise minimal discernment in media consumption (and in their children's media consumption), at some point we should consider how we can make higher-quality (i.e. more edifying/educational) children's content easier to access than lower-quality content.

ericmay 6y ago

> I don't believe it's YouTube's job to make it a completely safe space for kids I would say it is if the product is literally YouTube Kids... [1] [1] https://www.youtubekids.com https://www.youtubekids.com

karmicthreat 6y ago
And they did, it's just that something so "safe" is just completely bland and useless.
- wffurr 6y ago
  It depends on your definition of "safe". YT Kids might be completely safe from violent sexual content, but it's a "vapid wasteland" of content optimized for the engagement algorithm, which has no values other than watch time. YT Kids videos (see some examples above) are highly tuned dopamine production displays with little educational content. There is good content on YouTube, like Cbeebies and BBC Earth, but that's not what tends to bubble up on the recommendation system. Even trying to watch individual videos or channels that I do like doesn't work well, because my two year old sees the recommendations and starts demanding what one, and now I have to say "no" to something that shouldn't have been offered in the first place. I've taken to saying "you can watch anything you want on PBS Kids" in response to demands for YouTube videos of various sorts.
- mywittyname 6y ago
  It's not bland and useless. It's only safe for a very narrow definition of the word. It's "safe" in the sense that kids won't see boobies or hear potty words on the videos. But it's unsafe in that they will be constantly inundated with marketing content that is proven to be very effective on kids.
fuzzer37 6y ago
From their website [0] > YouTube Kids was created to give kids a more contained environment that makes it simpler and more fun for them to explore on their own, and easier for parents and caregivers to guide their journey as they discover new and exciting interests along the way. And from TFA, > The letter claimed that one research team, which it did not name, found only about 4% of videos had a high educational value. Much of the rest was low quality content such as toy unboxing and videos of people playing video games. I don't see how those 2 things are incompatible with each other. Not all children's programming needs to be "highly educational". I'd say toy unboxing and videos of people playing (child friendly, hopefully) video games is totally fine. Parents just need to stop using an iPad as a babysitter and actually limit the amount of time they're watching things. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/kids/ https://www.youtube.com/kids/
- wffurr 6y ago
  So much of that low quality dreck is really really far from "new and exciting interests" or safe for kids to "explore on their own". Blaming parents is pretty far off base here. The whole point of the app is to let kids use it on their own, but it's clearly not safe to do so, because they'll rapidly trigger the recommendation algorithm into some dopamine-producing engagement-optimized garbage. You can direct your kids to only watch stuff you approve of, but as soon as the recommendations start coming up, you're put in the position of saying "no", which with toddlers often leads to disproportionate screaming fits. I'd rather save dealing with that for the times when it's actually important to say "no" rather than trying to screen out some crappy low quality toy videos. I've deleted the YouTube app and instead given my toddler free reign with the PBS Kids app. Much higher quality content that I'm happy to support with donations to PBS and WGBH.

elmomle 6y ago

And yet it's apparent that many, perhaps the majority, of parents fail to do a decent job of that. If most of society will exercise minimal discernment in media consumption (and in their children's media consumption), at some point we should consider how we can make higher-quality (i.e. more edifying/educational) children's content easier to access than lower-quality content.