> I also think that this can be enlarged: all sorts of working meetings could be improved by people standing shoulder-to-shoulder at a table and pushing around

> I also think that this can be enlarged: all sorts of working meetings could be improved by people standing shoulder-to-shoulder at a table and pushing around tangible objects, with simple programming about how they'll interact. I've worked at a company (~30 people) that used a physical kanban blackboard, with slips of paper and magnets. The slips started out hand-written. Then someone made a printer. Then someone realized there was still too much information being held on Redmine. Then someone connected the printer with Redmine. Then we decided to keep the long descriptions in Redmine, but priorities and assignments on kanban. Then someone decided we need to keep ticket priorities and progress on Redmine as well, because computers are actually better when you need to sort and filter a mass of tickets. Then someone noticed it's difficult to locate either the physical representation of a ticket, or its copy on Redmine, to keep both in sync. Before I left, we were throwing around ideas like printing QR codes on the tickets, or using CV/OCR. The printer would also get jammed, the paper tickets got lost, we never had enough magnets, and I hate chalk. We've had a very unusual (in my experience) policy of no remote / no WFH, I didn't mind but I wonder how much more of an obstacle it would have been if remote work was more common. It would certainly make zero sense in the pandemic world, but I didn't stick around long enough to find out.