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If you had said 8 or 9 years, that would have been a reasonable way to communicate that they live longer than they lay eggs. When you pull out a number like 12

If you had said 8 or 9 years, that would have been a reasonable way to communicate that they live longer than they lay eggs. When you pull out a number like 12 years for an animal that can die of old age at 6, you're either misinformed or exaggerating to make your argument stronger. I think we're going to be at odds with each other on livestock no matter what because of different views on death. If an animal lives a long, rough, miserable life and dies of old age, that to me is an awful thing to do to an animal. If an animal lives a pleasant but short life and is well treated before it is humanely killed, I see no tragedy in that. My problem with eating meat is that the animal's short life is not a good one in the vast majority of cases. However, I have no problem at all with that life being ended humanely well before they reach old age. Death in itself is not a tragedy. Living in poor conditions or past the point where you can function without pain absolutely is.

PlatonicSkittle 6y ago
I'm going to drop the age point. You're assigning more significance to the specific number than I intended. > Death in itself is not a tragedy. Living in poor conditions or past the point where you can function without pain absolutely is. Do you hold the same stance when it come to human life? Or what about the penguins in the article? They lived typical penguin lives and were presumably killed relativly quickly.
- msrenee 6y ago
  Yes. At least my own for sure.
- msrenee 6y ago
  I don't know how replies and edits work on this site. I didn't see most of your post when I replied. The problem I have with what happened to these penguins is how wasteful it was. Relatively little was produced and everything else was wasted. And using a living creature as fuel to render its compatriots into a low-quality, low-yield product. The fact that they died isn't really the upsetting thing to me here. It's the wasteful nature of the process and the impact on the species and the environment. I'll happily, very happily in fact, eat bison. They're delicious. I would have no problem killing and butchering one myself. Shooting them en masse and leaving the carcasses to rot as happened early in the history of the US is beyond repulsive to me.

PlatonicSkittle 6y ago

I'm going to drop the age point. You're assigning more significance to the specific number than I intended. > Death in itself is not a tragedy. Living in poor conditions or past the point where you can function without pain absolutely is. Do you hold the same stance when it come to human life? Or what about the penguins in the article? They lived typical penguin lives and were presumably killed relativly quickly.

msrenee 6y ago
Yes. At least my own for sure.
msrenee 6y ago
I don't know how replies and edits work on this site. I didn't see most of your post when I replied. The problem I have with what happened to these penguins is how wasteful it was. Relatively little was produced and everything else was wasted. And using a living creature as fuel to render its compatriots into a low-quality, low-yield product. The fact that they died isn't really the upsetting thing to me here. It's the wasteful nature of the process and the impact on the species and the environment. I'll happily, very happily in fact, eat bison. They're delicious. I would have no problem killing and butchering one myself. Shooting them en masse and leaving the carcasses to rot as happened early in the history of the US is beyond repulsive to me.