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A lot of people cycle to work in Finland in the winter. This also applies in the northern parts like Oulu. All you need is a good cycling network that is proper

by doikor 6y ago

A lot of people cycle to work in Finland in the winter. This also applies in the northern parts like Oulu. All you need is a good cycling network that is properly maintained in the winter and people will use it. A okish video about winter biking https://youtu.be/Uhx-26GfCBU https://youtu.be/Uhx-26GfCBU Basically the temperature does not really matter much. It has more to do with the maintenance. If the cycling paths exist and are in good condition people will use them. Actually I think properly cold weather (stays below freezing most of the winter) is better then when weather is going above and below freezing point all the time. edit: And cycling in the rain is much worse then riding in the winter in my opinion.

twiddling 6y ago
"All you need is a good cycling network that is properly maintained in the winter and people will use it." If you're going to invest in infrastructure, I would think that investments in public transit will be more palatable to the taxpayers.
- adgjlsfhk1 6y ago
  Invest in both. Both are needed.
- doikor 6y ago
  In the cities we do invest in that too. Also cycling is superior (faster, cheaper, more convenient) to public transport for short enough trips. Also public transport and cycling are not opposites of each other. Here in Helsinki a lot of people cycle to the train or metro station and then take that to the city for their commute. You can also take your bike into the train or metro here if that works better for you. People also drive their cars to the metro/train station and do the same. Parking can be really expensive (and hard to find) in the center if you happen to work there. For example my work place (a bit over 100 person IT company office) we have a total of 2 car parking spots for the whole company that you reserve in a google sheet when you need it.
Aerroon 6y ago
I have a hard time seeing there being much cycling in winter. Icy conditions are scary on a bicycle. All it takes is for snow to cover some ice and the bicycle can simply slip out from under you. Not only that. It's also possible for temperature to be above 0 during the day, but drop to below freezing in the evening/at night. You might not even realize that some of the bike paths are icy. I had that happen a few years ago. My knee still feels painful from time to time because of it. Another problem with cycling in the snow is that it's way harder. You need much wider and softer tires, but this also means that you need to put in more energy. Going uphill is a pain. Add a little soft snow and/or ice to it and it's awful. You'll also sweat in the coat. Batteries for ebikes don't work as well in the cold either. I think you pretty much need an alternative transportation system for winter. Or maybe we should all start using electric tricycles or quads.
- doikor 6y ago
  Did you actually watch the video? It went into most of your complaints but here we go. > I have a hard time seeing there being much cycling in winter. And yet we got schools with 1000 out of the 1200 students cycling to school in -17c weather in Oulu. Out of the rest 100 to 150 walked and a couple took kicksleds. https://twitter.com/pekkatahkola/status/1093297261604265985 https://twitter.com/pekkatahkola/status/1093297261604265985 > Icy conditions are scary on a bicycle. Me (and a few million other Finns and Swedes and Norwegians and ...) would disagree. > All it takes is for snow to cover some ice and the bicycle can simply slip out from under you. This is why we maintain the roads. Also studded tires exist for bikes too but are rarely used here (Finland) > It's also possible for temperature to be above 0 during the day, but drop to below freezing in the evening/at night. Does happen. But again maintain your roads. Not really a problem on its own. Only if you let cars drive on the hard packed snow that has now melted which creates huge grooves that then freeze. Solved by not allowing cars on the bike paths. > Another problem with cycling in the snow is that it's way harder. You need much wider and softer tires, but this also means that you need to put in more energy. I rode the exact same bike summer and winter with the same quite narrow tires meant for asphalt (never had studded tires on my bicycle) for the last 25+ years and still do. Well not the same bike over all the years but only ever owned 1 bike at the same time. Actually now that I think about it is a bit harder when really cold (think -25c) but not for the reason you said. The grease/oil in your chains, ball bearings, etc starts to gel up making it harder. Could probably fix it by changing the oils but nobody bothers with that. Just cycle harder (or slower and accept the commute taking 5 minutes longer) > Going uphill is a pain. Just cycle harder. You will get in shape quite fast. If you have proper gears it is not a big problem (outside of some extreme hills that are pain in the ass to even walk up) > You'll also sweat in the coat. Don't wear too thick of a coat or just open it up a bit. > Batteries for ebikes don't work as well in the cold either. Based on comments from my friends they work just fine. We have electric cars here and they work too. > I think you pretty much need an alternative transportation system for winter. Again watch the video I linked about winter biking. Basically riding in the rain is much more of pain in the ass.
tzs 6y ago
I don't know how this affects bikes, but temperature does matter for cars in snow. In places that get below freezing for long periods, the ground freezes, and snow that lands on the ground stays snow. You end up with a snow layer on top of the ground. In places where it gets cold enough to snow, but doesn't stay cold enough long enough for the ground to freeze, the snow near the ground can melt and then freeze as more snow lands on top, leaving you with an ice sheet between the snow layer and the ground. That can be much more treacherous to drive on, and I'd guess to cycle on.

by doikor 6y ago

twiddling 6y ago

"All you need is a good cycling network that is properly maintained in the winter and people will use it." If you're going to invest in infrastructure, I would think that investments in public transit will be more palatable to the taxpayers.

adgjlsfhk1 6y ago
Invest in both. Both are needed.
doikor 6y ago
In the cities we do invest in that too. Also cycling is superior (faster, cheaper, more convenient) to public transport for short enough trips. Also public transport and cycling are not opposites of each other. Here in Helsinki a lot of people cycle to the train or metro station and then take that to the city for their commute. You can also take your bike into the train or metro here if that works better for you. People also drive their cars to the metro/train station and do the same. Parking can be really expensive (and hard to find) in the center if you happen to work there. For example my work place (a bit over 100 person IT company office) we have a total of 2 car parking spots for the whole company that you reserve in a google sheet when you need it.

Aerroon 6y ago

I have a hard time seeing there being much cycling in winter. Icy conditions are scary on a bicycle. All it takes is for snow to cover some ice and the bicycle can simply slip out from under you. Not only that. It's also possible for temperature to be above 0 during the day, but drop to below freezing in the evening/at night. You might not even realize that some of the bike paths are icy. I had that happen a few years ago. My knee still feels painful from time to time because of it. Another problem with cycling in the snow is that it's way harder. You need much wider and softer tires, but this also means that you need to put in more energy. Going uphill is a pain. Add a little soft snow and/or ice to it and it's awful. You'll also sweat in the coat. Batteries for ebikes don't work as well in the cold either. I think you pretty much need an alternative transportation system for winter. Or maybe we should all start using electric tricycles or quads.

doikor 6y ago
Did you actually watch the video? It went into most of your complaints but here we go. > I have a hard time seeing there being much cycling in winter. And yet we got schools with 1000 out of the 1200 students cycling to school in -17c weather in Oulu. Out of the rest 100 to 150 walked and a couple took kicksleds. https://twitter.com/pekkatahkola/status/1093297261604265985 https://twitter.com/pekkatahkola/status/1093297261604265985 > Icy conditions are scary on a bicycle. Me (and a few million other Finns and Swedes and Norwegians and ...) would disagree. > All it takes is for snow to cover some ice and the bicycle can simply slip out from under you. This is why we maintain the roads. Also studded tires exist for bikes too but are rarely used here (Finland) > It's also possible for temperature to be above 0 during the day, but drop to below freezing in the evening/at night. Does happen. But again maintain your roads. Not really a problem on its own. Only if you let cars drive on the hard packed snow that has now melted which creates huge grooves that then freeze. Solved by not allowing cars on the bike paths. > Another problem with cycling in the snow is that it's way harder. You need much wider and softer tires, but this also means that you need to put in more energy. I rode the exact same bike summer and winter with the same quite narrow tires meant for asphalt (never had studded tires on my bicycle) for the last 25+ years and still do. Well not the same bike over all the years but only ever owned 1 bike at the same time. Actually now that I think about it is a bit harder when really cold (think -25c) but not for the reason you said. The grease/oil in your chains, ball bearings, etc starts to gel up making it harder. Could probably fix it by changing the oils but nobody bothers with that. Just cycle harder (or slower and accept the commute taking 5 minutes longer) > Going uphill is a pain. Just cycle harder. You will get in shape quite fast. If you have proper gears it is not a big problem (outside of some extreme hills that are pain in the ass to even walk up) > You'll also sweat in the coat. Don't wear too thick of a coat or just open it up a bit. > Batteries for ebikes don't work as well in the cold either. Based on comments from my friends they work just fine. We have electric cars here and they work too. > I think you pretty much need an alternative transportation system for winter. Again watch the video I linked about winter biking. Basically riding in the rain is much more of pain in the ass.

tzs 6y ago

I don't know how this affects bikes, but temperature does matter for cars in snow. In places that get below freezing for long periods, the ground freezes, and snow that lands on the ground stays snow. You end up with a snow layer on top of the ground. In places where it gets cold enough to snow, but doesn't stay cold enough long enough for the ground to freeze, the snow near the ground can melt and then freeze as more snow lands on top, leaving you with an ice sheet between the snow layer and the ground. That can be much more treacherous to drive on, and I'd guess to cycle on.