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It sounds like you want to be a contractor, not an employee. I would imagine that your job description, if it exists, includes language such as "teamwork," "me

by abduhl 6y ago

It sounds like you want to be a contractor, not an employee. I would imagine that your job description, if it exists, includes language such as "teamwork," "mentoring," and "problem solving" and does not include language such as "siloed," "completely independent," and "unanswerable to anyone."

mulmen 6y ago
> I would imagine that your job description, if it exists, includes language such as "teamwork," "mentoring," and "problem solving" Yes, all of those things are true and I do all of those things. I am speaking specifically about interrupting a coworker who is doing productive work. > "siloed," "completely independent," and "unanswerable to anyone." I didn't say anything about this. Respecting your coworkers time does not require any of it.
- Closi 6y ago
  > "As my coworker you have no right to my time, at all. Certainly not on-demand. You are in no position to prioritize my time, especially in the context of you finishing your task. You are blocked by whatever you are blocked by. Solving your problems is your problem. Not mine." What part of this statement says 'team player' to you? The whole part about working as a team-player is that solving their problems is your problem, because it is the teams problem. What you are describing is being assigned a list of stuff and working on it independently, then not helping anyone else unless it's convenient for you. This is colloquially called 'not being a team player'.
  - mulmen 6y ago
    > What part of this statement says 'team player' to you? The part where each member of the team is trusted with their own time management. I will also not interrupt you when you are working, because I respect you and your time. > The whole part about working as a team-player is that solving their problems is your problem, because it is the teams problem. Yeah, no. The team has problems so we divide the work. Each of us takes ownership for some small part of it. Asking for input from teammates is fine, that is the responsibility of that owner. But that doesn't mean they can interrupt someone to get it. To be an effective teammate you need to earn the respect of your peers and interrupting will undermine that trust long term. Obviously I want my coworkers to solve their problems because we all work toward a common goal and of course I provide input to help them do that.
    - abduhl 6y ago
      You say that you "respect [me] and [my] time" but also that you're only interested in helping me on your own terms and at your leisure, even if I'm completely blocked. And you say that if I'm completely blocked then I'm not contributing anything. Sorry, but it sounds like you don't respect anybody or their time if it doesn't help you. You must be very good at your specific tasks because it sounds like you are not very good at your job (which includes "teamwork," "mentoring," and "problem solving"), at least if you behave the way you're saying you behave.
    - mym1990 6y ago
      'because I respect you and your time' screams that you are probably good enough at your tasks to not need help or too proud to ask for it, but you want others to apply this rule so that they can stop 'interrupting' your 'productive work'. I have never ever gone into a team environment and felt the need to earn respect from my teammates or have them earn mine. This is a glass half full or empty thing. You can go into a team and require others prove themselves and vice-versa or you can give people the benefit of the doubt and let them lose the trust if something happens. Both lead to vastly different experiences.

by abduhl 6y ago

mulmen 6y ago

> I would imagine that your job description, if it exists, includes language such as "teamwork," "mentoring," and "problem solving" Yes, all of those things are true and I do all of those things. I am speaking specifically about interrupting a coworker who is doing productive work. > "siloed," "completely independent," and "unanswerable to anyone." I didn't say anything about this. Respecting your coworkers time does not require any of it.

Closi 6y ago
> "As my coworker you have no right to my time, at all. Certainly not on-demand. You are in no position to prioritize my time, especially in the context of you finishing your task. You are blocked by whatever you are blocked by. Solving your problems is your problem. Not mine." What part of this statement says 'team player' to you? The whole part about working as a team-player is that solving their problems is your problem, because it is the teams problem. What you are describing is being assigned a list of stuff and working on it independently, then not helping anyone else unless it's convenient for you. This is colloquially called 'not being a team player'.
- mulmen 6y ago
  > What part of this statement says 'team player' to you? The part where each member of the team is trusted with their own time management. I will also not interrupt you when you are working, because I respect you and your time. > The whole part about working as a team-player is that solving their problems is your problem, because it is the teams problem. Yeah, no. The team has problems so we divide the work. Each of us takes ownership for some small part of it. Asking for input from teammates is fine, that is the responsibility of that owner. But that doesn't mean they can interrupt someone to get it. To be an effective teammate you need to earn the respect of your peers and interrupting will undermine that trust long term. Obviously I want my coworkers to solve their problems because we all work toward a common goal and of course I provide input to help them do that.
  - abduhl 6y ago
    You say that you "respect [me] and [my] time" but also that you're only interested in helping me on your own terms and at your leisure, even if I'm completely blocked. And you say that if I'm completely blocked then I'm not contributing anything. Sorry, but it sounds like you don't respect anybody or their time if it doesn't help you. You must be very good at your specific tasks because it sounds like you are not very good at your job (which includes "teamwork," "mentoring," and "problem solving"), at least if you behave the way you're saying you behave.
  - mym1990 6y ago
    'because I respect you and your time' screams that you are probably good enough at your tasks to not need help or too proud to ask for it, but you want others to apply this rule so that they can stop 'interrupting' your 'productive work'. I have never ever gone into a team environment and felt the need to earn respect from my teammates or have them earn mine. This is a glass half full or empty thing. You can go into a team and require others prove themselves and vice-versa or you can give people the benefit of the doubt and let them lose the trust if something happens. Both lead to vastly different experiences.