If, like you say, these people aren't frontend specialists and don't pick frameworks on the basis of what appears on the front page of HN, why should they reach

If, like you say, these people aren't frontend specialists and don't pick frameworks on the basis of what appears on the front page of HN, why should they reach for a framework as their first port of call anyway? Many conversations on HN seem to turn into an argument between old-school developers, who declare that there's nothing better than good old jquery and Bootstrap, and more hip developers who immediately drag in React, Vue, or Svelte. The middle-ground option of starting with plain modern JS and plain modern CSS is offered relatively rarely. Which is strange — this should be the default for those who are disoriented by the plethora of options on the frontend. Especially since you suggest that such developers just need to get a CRUD UI up and running. You don't need a js framework for that.