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While it does have quite a bit of details, this followup issue is clearly written by someone from FB or one of the other AdCos who wants to point the finger bac

While it does have quite a bit of details, this followup issue is clearly written by someone from FB or one of the other AdCos who wants to point the finger back at Apple. The tone and wording used here is rather rich and entitled.

wffurr 6y ago
They seem to think that people can’t really “opt out” of “tracking” (scare quotes theirs). Talk about entitled.
- dialtone 6y ago
  The quotes are entirely appropriate because adding some domain to the PSL makes the subdomains siloed cookie-wise so they can't share cookies and the PSL cannot use cookies anymore. Since they can't share cookies you can't track across even the same domain when added to the PSL. This is a feature needed for sites like Rakuten, Shopify, Alibaba that have multiple merchants under the same domains. Nothing to do with entitlement.
  - kelnos 6y ago
    FB seems to believe they are entitled to the ability to track people on iOS. Apple is under no obligation to allow that.
    - dialtone 6y ago
      Apple literally built a feature that requires addition to PSL to support a usecase that was addressed multiple times in the PrivacyCG meetings. How is this entitlement, they are following the Apple requirements.
      - slenk 6y ago
        Another thing that would follow Apple's requirements is just buying myweirdwebsite.com
        ankmathur96 6y ago
        The entire point of these generated subdomains is that you do not have to buy a domain name...
        kalleboo 6y ago
        If you're at the point you're spending money on ads and need to track them, you can spend $10 on a domain name? Lots of these platforms also give away free domain names.
        ankmathur96 6y ago
        It's not about whether or not it's foolish - the point is buying and setting up a subdomain, handing SEO, etc. is often more complex than some small business owners want to deal with.
        slenk 6y ago
        Which seems foolish if a company is serious about tracking revenue...
pandemicsyn 6y ago
you're not joking: https://github.com/privacycg/private-click-measurement/issues/78#issuecomment-814737936 https://github.com/privacycg/private-click-measurement/issue... >Who will vet such a list continuously at a global scale? >Apple should. >Apple created this issue in the first place. The need for multi-tenant websites to add themselves to the PSL exists only because of the PCM design decision to limit measurement to registrable domains. The urgency exists because Apple's planned ATT enforcement.
dkonofalski 6y ago
Seriously. I can see reasons that aren't entirely altruistic for Apple in trying to increase these privacy protections but trying to offload it back to Apple as if Facebook's abuse of consumer data isn't the real reason for this is ridiculous.
dswalter 6y ago
According to the comments in the history of that user on Github, it is someone who claims to be an engineer from Facebook in an earlier post: https://github.com/WICG/trust-token-api/issues/28#issue-644758644 https://github.com/WICG/trust-token-api/issues/28#issue-6447...
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romanhn 6y ago
Ben Savage is a pretty high-level engineer from Facebook's Ads org

wffurr 6y ago

They seem to think that people can’t really “opt out” of “tracking” (scare quotes theirs). Talk about entitled.

dialtone 6y ago
The quotes are entirely appropriate because adding some domain to the PSL makes the subdomains siloed cookie-wise so they can't share cookies and the PSL cannot use cookies anymore. Since they can't share cookies you can't track across even the same domain when added to the PSL. This is a feature needed for sites like Rakuten, Shopify, Alibaba that have multiple merchants under the same domains. Nothing to do with entitlement.
- kelnos 6y ago
  FB seems to believe they are entitled to the ability to track people on iOS. Apple is under no obligation to allow that.
  - dialtone 6y ago
    Apple literally built a feature that requires addition to PSL to support a usecase that was addressed multiple times in the PrivacyCG meetings. How is this entitlement, they are following the Apple requirements.
    - slenk 6y ago
      Another thing that would follow Apple's requirements is just buying myweirdwebsite.com
      - ankmathur96 6y ago
        The entire point of these generated subdomains is that you do not have to buy a domain name...
        kalleboo 6y ago
        If you're at the point you're spending money on ads and need to track them, you can spend $10 on a domain name? Lots of these platforms also give away free domain names.
        ankmathur96 6y ago
        It's not about whether or not it's foolish - the point is buying and setting up a subdomain, handing SEO, etc. is often more complex than some small business owners want to deal with.
        slenk 6y ago
        Which seems foolish if a company is serious about tracking revenue...

pandemicsyn 6y ago

you're not joking: https://github.com/privacycg/private-click-measurement/issues/78#issuecomment-814737936 https://github.com/privacycg/private-click-measurement/issue... >Who will vet such a list continuously at a global scale? >Apple should. >Apple created this issue in the first place. The need for multi-tenant websites to add themselves to the PSL exists only because of the PCM design decision to limit measurement to registrable domains. The urgency exists because Apple's planned ATT enforcement.

dkonofalski 6y ago

Seriously. I can see reasons that aren't entirely altruistic for Apple in trying to increase these privacy protections but trying to offload it back to Apple as if Facebook's abuse of consumer data isn't the real reason for this is ridiculous.

dswalter 6y ago

According to the comments in the history of that user on Github, it is someone who claims to be an engineer from Facebook in an earlier post: https://github.com/WICG/trust-token-api/issues/28#issue-644758644 https://github.com/WICG/trust-token-api/issues/28#issue-6447...

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romanhn 6y ago

Ben Savage is a pretty high-level engineer from Facebook's Ads org