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I think the diagram gives a skewed view of how hard this actually is. I run a very similar setup only my VPS is only a proxy for my home server and it requires

by belval 6y ago

I think the diagram gives a skewed view of how hard this actually is. I run a very similar setup only my VPS is only a proxy for my home server and it requires very little maintenance. I run everything with docker-compose and I haven't had to work on my setup at all this year and only about 8 hours in 2020 to setup the Wireguard network to replace the ssh tunnels I was using previously for VPS -> server communications. At the end of the day YMMV and use what you are comfortable with, but it's not as crazy undertaking as it sounds.

divbzero 6y ago
Yes, and many popular applications are prepackaged as one-click apps by cloud providers like Vultr [1] or Digital Ocean [2]. [1]: https://www.vultr.com/features/one-click-apps/ https://www.vultr.com/features/one-click-apps/ [2]: https://marketplace.digitalocean.com https://marketplace.digitalocean.com You can also enable automatic backups for your servers.
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- Semaphor 6y ago
  Somewhat OT, but never realized how expensive those cloud instances are. For comparison, I pay $4.95/month (billed annually) for a KVM VPS with 2 Ghz, 2 GB RAM, 40gb SSD, 400 GB HDD in the Netherlands. That seems a lot better for selfhosting where you probably want more raw storage than more SSD space.
  - rkachowski 6y ago
    That's pretty awesome, what provider are you with?
    - Semaphor 6y ago
      https://www.prometeus.net/site/terakvm.php https://www.prometeus.net/site/terakvm.php But it looks like I got it on a sale, TERAKVM-400 comes down to $6.94 at normal prices.
    - christophilus 6y ago
      Not the OP, but I’ve been using Netcup for video transcoding. It was the best bang for the buck out of a large number of providers I tried.
  - jjeaff 6y ago
    If that is enough to handle everything you need, then that is definitely a better deal. The electric bill for a similar home server running 24x7 would be more than $6/mo.
mjparrott 6y ago
The technical language in this makes me ditto the first comment that this is too much for many people out there like myself
- belval 6y ago
  You are absolutely right, if you are not familiar with docker-compose, ssh tunnels, wireguard, etc... it will take more time to setup, that being said as far as maintenance go you will probably have a similar experience. Most of my setup was done through SSH during boring classes in college so I had plenty of time to read documentation and figure out new tools.
IggleSniggle 6y ago
I went down an almost identical path/plan, but then stopped due to corruption concerns with doing the VPS / home sync the way that I wanted without a NAS in the middle managing the thing. It’s still possible, but it explodes the complexity. One of the big things I wanted to accomplish was low cost and easy to integrate / recover from for family in case of bus-factor. I didn’t expect to compete with the major cloud providers on cost, but the architecture I was dreaming of just wasn’t quite feasible even though it’s tantalizingly close...basically, all the benefits of a p2p internal network with all the convenience of NextCloud and all the export-ability of “just copy all these files to a new disk or cloud provider.” It’s so close, there’s just always some bottleneck: home upload is too slow, cold cloud storage too hard to integrate with / cache, architecture requires too much maintenance, or similar. I think NextCloud is very close for personal use, if only there was a plug and play p2p backend datastore / cache backed by plug and play immutable cold storage that could pick up new entries from the p2p layer.
- random_kris 6y ago
  There is a cryptocurrency called siacoin. It offers cloud storage and there exist a nextcloud plugin for it to integrate it as a storage backend. I have some plans on trying this setup. What do you think? https://nextcloud.com/blog/introducing-cloud-storage-in-the-blockchain-with-sia-and-nextcloud/ https://nextcloud.com/blog/introducing-cloud-storage-in-the-...
  - IggleSniggle 6y ago
    Huh. I'd be interested in hearing your experience with it

by belval 6y ago

divbzero 6y ago

Yes, and many popular applications are prepackaged as one-click apps by cloud providers like Vultr [1] or Digital Ocean [2]. [1]: https://www.vultr.com/features/one-click-apps/ https://www.vultr.com/features/one-click-apps/ [2]: https://marketplace.digitalocean.com https://marketplace.digitalocean.com You can also enable automatic backups for your servers.

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Semaphor 6y ago
Somewhat OT, but never realized how expensive those cloud instances are. For comparison, I pay $4.95/month (billed annually) for a KVM VPS with 2 Ghz, 2 GB RAM, 40gb SSD, 400 GB HDD in the Netherlands. That seems a lot better for selfhosting where you probably want more raw storage than more SSD space.
- rkachowski 6y ago
  That's pretty awesome, what provider are you with?
  - Semaphor 6y ago
    https://www.prometeus.net/site/terakvm.php https://www.prometeus.net/site/terakvm.php But it looks like I got it on a sale, TERAKVM-400 comes down to $6.94 at normal prices.
  - christophilus 6y ago
    Not the OP, but I’ve been using Netcup for video transcoding. It was the best bang for the buck out of a large number of providers I tried.
- jjeaff 6y ago
  If that is enough to handle everything you need, then that is definitely a better deal. The electric bill for a similar home server running 24x7 would be more than $6/mo.

mjparrott 6y ago

The technical language in this makes me ditto the first comment that this is too much for many people out there like myself

belval 6y ago
You are absolutely right, if you are not familiar with docker-compose, ssh tunnels, wireguard, etc... it will take more time to setup, that being said as far as maintenance go you will probably have a similar experience. Most of my setup was done through SSH during boring classes in college so I had plenty of time to read documentation and figure out new tools.

IggleSniggle 6y ago

I went down an almost identical path/plan, but then stopped due to corruption concerns with doing the VPS / home sync the way that I wanted without a NAS in the middle managing the thing. It’s still possible, but it explodes the complexity. One of the big things I wanted to accomplish was low cost and easy to integrate / recover from for family in case of bus-factor. I didn’t expect to compete with the major cloud providers on cost, but the architecture I was dreaming of just wasn’t quite feasible even though it’s tantalizingly close...basically, all the benefits of a p2p internal network with all the convenience of NextCloud and all the export-ability of “just copy all these files to a new disk or cloud provider.” It’s so close, there’s just always some bottleneck: home upload is too slow, cold cloud storage too hard to integrate with / cache, architecture requires too much maintenance, or similar. I think NextCloud is very close for personal use, if only there was a plug and play p2p backend datastore / cache backed by plug and play immutable cold storage that could pick up new entries from the p2p layer.

random_kris 6y ago
There is a cryptocurrency called siacoin. It offers cloud storage and there exist a nextcloud plugin for it to integrate it as a storage backend. I have some plans on trying this setup. What do you think? https://nextcloud.com/blog/introducing-cloud-storage-in-the-blockchain-with-sia-and-nextcloud/ https://nextcloud.com/blog/introducing-cloud-storage-in-the-...
- IggleSniggle 6y ago
  Huh. I'd be interested in hearing your experience with it