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I'm probably going to get flagged/whatever for this, but if there's any chance that I'm going to get blood clots (and potentially die/stroke out/etc. from them)

I'm probably going to get flagged/whatever for this, but if there's any chance that I'm going to get blood clots (and potentially die/stroke out/etc. from them) from a vaccine for a virus that has a high percentage survival rate for moderately healthy individuals - I'll pass and either find another one, or wait until the kinks are worked out. And yes, I did read the article. I'm aware that they said the benefits outweigh the risks, but I'm still not taking any chances.

viro 6y ago
this link feels silly tbh. 30 blood clot cases out of 18.1 million. That honestly sounds less than how often a blood clot happens randomly in a population that size.
- nchi3 6y ago
  In Norway it was 3 deaths in 130000 vaccinated if I recall correctly. But yeah, Norway definitely seems like an outlier.
  - tyldum 6y ago
    Norway only has 680 dead from covid, so not much tolerance on collateral deaths due to the vaccine. The vaccine has about half of the mortality rate of covid, by raw numbers alone in Norway. Of course, younger women are more at risk and nurses were the the ones who received most doses. This could explain the outlier as well.
- dragonsngoblins 6y ago
  I mean on the one hand, yes it does. I completely agree. On the other hand.... My mother has a clotting disorder of some kind and I'm kind of terrified that means I'm more prone to it
Darmody 6y ago
I know people who are not going to take the AstraZeneca vaccine, you're not alone. I would probably reject it too even if it's less dangerous than Covid-19.
uvnq 6y ago
It seems pretty safe. Significantly safer than driving. That being said, I'm not taking it because I don't know if it'll have negative consequences to my health in the long term - something I'm pretty sure we don't have data for.
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  The upside to driving is much, much higher.
  - uvnq 6y ago
    I'm just pointing out that the risk seems relatively low by bringing up another data point to compare it to. Not sure why I'm being downvoted.
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ls612 6y ago
You are taking chances regardless of your choice in accepting the AstraZeneca vaccine. If you get covid as a healthy young person you have about a 1 in 10,000 chance of dying. If you take the AstraZeneca vaccine you have about a 1 in 400,000 chance of getting blood clots, and a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of dying from them. You pick which chance you’ll take, but either way, you are taking a chance
- seidoger 6y ago
  > If you get covid as a healthy young person you have about a 1 in 10,000 chance of dying COVID is not just about death though, there's proven lingering neurological and cardiovascular impediments to survivors. e.g. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brain/a-third-of-covid-survivors-suffer-neurological-or-mental-disorders-study-idUSKBN2BT2ZI https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brain/...
noja 6y ago
> the benefits outweigh the risks The benefits do not outweigh the risks for one category of people: under 30s with low exposure. Check the first chart at https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/07/under-30s-in-uk-should-be-offered-alternative-covid-vaccine-to-astrazeneca-jab-says-regulator https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/07/under-30s-in... 20-29 year olds with low exposure risk: * Benefit: ICU admissions prevented by having the AZ vaccine: 0.8 per 100'000 people * Harm: Serious harm due to having the AZ vaccine: 1.1 per 100'000 people
- jfengel 6y ago
  If "low exposure" means "continuing to isolate", that opens up a lot of other issues that don't show up on those statistics. I suspect there won't be many healthy 20-29 year olds who look forward to keeping their exposure low. Restaurants, bars, even offices are "exposure" -- and for that matter, their homes, if they want to have their friends over.
  - noja 6y ago
    Low exposure risk assumes an incidence of 2 per 10,000.
Agathos 6y ago
You realize Covid causes blood clots too, right? Of course you’re taking chances; you take a chance no matter what you do.

viro 6y ago

this link feels silly tbh. 30 blood clot cases out of 18.1 million. That honestly sounds less than how often a blood clot happens randomly in a population that size.

nchi3 6y ago
In Norway it was 3 deaths in 130000 vaccinated if I recall correctly. But yeah, Norway definitely seems like an outlier.
- tyldum 6y ago
  Norway only has 680 dead from covid, so not much tolerance on collateral deaths due to the vaccine. The vaccine has about half of the mortality rate of covid, by raw numbers alone in Norway. Of course, younger women are more at risk and nurses were the the ones who received most doses. This could explain the outlier as well.
dragonsngoblins 6y ago
I mean on the one hand, yes it does. I completely agree. On the other hand.... My mother has a clotting disorder of some kind and I'm kind of terrified that means I'm more prone to it

Darmody 6y ago

I know people who are not going to take the AstraZeneca vaccine, you're not alone. I would probably reject it too even if it's less dangerous than Covid-19.

uvnq 6y ago

It seems pretty safe. Significantly safer than driving. That being said, I'm not taking it because I don't know if it'll have negative consequences to my health in the long term - something I'm pretty sure we don't have data for.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago
The upside to driving is much, much higher.
- uvnq 6y ago
  I'm just pointing out that the risk seems relatively low by bringing up another data point to compare it to. Not sure why I'm being downvoted.
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ls612 6y ago

You are taking chances regardless of your choice in accepting the AstraZeneca vaccine. If you get covid as a healthy young person you have about a 1 in 10,000 chance of dying. If you take the AstraZeneca vaccine you have about a 1 in 400,000 chance of getting blood clots, and a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of dying from them. You pick which chance you’ll take, but either way, you are taking a chance

seidoger 6y ago
> If you get covid as a healthy young person you have about a 1 in 10,000 chance of dying COVID is not just about death though, there's proven lingering neurological and cardiovascular impediments to survivors. e.g. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brain/a-third-of-covid-survivors-suffer-neurological-or-mental-disorders-study-idUSKBN2BT2ZI https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-brain/...

noja 6y ago

> the benefits outweigh the risks The benefits do not outweigh the risks for one category of people: under 30s with low exposure. Check the first chart at https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/07/under-30s-in-uk-should-be-offered-alternative-covid-vaccine-to-astrazeneca-jab-says-regulator https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/07/under-30s-in... 20-29 year olds with low exposure risk: * Benefit: ICU admissions prevented by having the AZ vaccine: 0.8 per 100'000 people * Harm: Serious harm due to having the AZ vaccine: 1.1 per 100'000 people

jfengel 6y ago
If "low exposure" means "continuing to isolate", that opens up a lot of other issues that don't show up on those statistics. I suspect there won't be many healthy 20-29 year olds who look forward to keeping their exposure low. Restaurants, bars, even offices are "exposure" -- and for that matter, their homes, if they want to have their friends over.
- noja 6y ago
  Low exposure risk assumes an incidence of 2 per 10,000.

Agathos 6y ago

You realize Covid causes blood clots too, right? Of course you’re taking chances; you take a chance no matter what you do.