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It might be unpopular to say, but I think underqualified people giving unearned advice, and flooding the job market, is indeed a huge problem. I don't think it'

It might be unpopular to say, but I think underqualified people giving unearned advice, and flooding the job market, is indeed a huge problem. I don't think it's gatekeeping to call it that.

brundolf 6y ago
> underqualified people giving unearned advice, and flooding the job market If they're speaking at conferences and getting published and working on projects that are out of their depth, then it's on the conferences and publishers and employers to identify them as underqualified. If they're "flooding the job market" and working on things that are appropriate for their skill level - which I would guess the majority are - then that's a good thing, even if their skills are at the low end.
- overgard 6y ago
  So you're saying that conferences and publications should act as.. gate-keepers? It sounds more like you disagree more with the tone of the article than the actual substance.
  - brundolf 6y ago
    You're intentionally giving a bad-faith interpretation. The term "gate-keeper" is colloquially used to refer to those who needlessly prevent or discourage others from participating at all in an entire hobby/career-field/community. Conferences and publications and employers should absolutely filter candidates by their actual ability to do the job they're being paid to do; nobody in their right mind would suggest otherwise. But this is a) a temporary condition of the individual's ability at that particular time, b) relative to the specific task at hand, and c) just one piece of what it means to participate in the field as a whole. A person might not currently be fit for programming job X but simultaneously be capable of programming job Y, and in the future they might even become capable of X. They might not even be capable of any paid programming work at all, but in the meantime should still be welcome to learn and to hack and to participate in the community. Of course I didn't really need to explain all that, because you knew what I meant and chose to frame it differently, but there you go.
    - ashneo76 6y ago
      And you're intentionally giving a bad faith representation to the author.
    - overgard 6y ago
      > The term "gate-keeper" is colloquially used to refer to those who needlessly prevent or discourage others from participating at all in an entire hobby/career-field/community. Disagreed. That term is frequently used for anyone that isn't an overly positive cheerleader.

It might be unpopular to say, but I think underqualified people giving unearned advice, and flooding the job market, is indeed a huge problem. I don't think it's gatekeeping to call it that.

brundolf 6y ago

> underqualified people giving unearned advice, and flooding the job market If they're speaking at conferences and getting published and working on projects that are out of their depth, then it's on the conferences and publishers and employers to identify them as underqualified. If they're "flooding the job market" and working on things that are appropriate for their skill level - which I would guess the majority are - then that's a good thing, even if their skills are at the low end.

overgard 6y ago
So you're saying that conferences and publications should act as.. gate-keepers? It sounds more like you disagree more with the tone of the article than the actual substance.
- brundolf 6y ago
  You're intentionally giving a bad-faith interpretation. The term "gate-keeper" is colloquially used to refer to those who needlessly prevent or discourage others from participating at all in an entire hobby/career-field/community. Conferences and publications and employers should absolutely filter candidates by their actual ability to do the job they're being paid to do; nobody in their right mind would suggest otherwise. But this is a) a temporary condition of the individual's ability at that particular time, b) relative to the specific task at hand, and c) just one piece of what it means to participate in the field as a whole. A person might not currently be fit for programming job X but simultaneously be capable of programming job Y, and in the future they might even become capable of X. They might not even be capable of any paid programming work at all, but in the meantime should still be welcome to learn and to hack and to participate in the community. Of course I didn't really need to explain all that, because you knew what I meant and chose to frame it differently, but there you go.
  - ashneo76 6y ago
    And you're intentionally giving a bad faith representation to the author.
  - overgard 6y ago
    > The term "gate-keeper" is colloquially used to refer to those who needlessly prevent or discourage others from participating at all in an entire hobby/career-field/community. Disagreed. That term is frequently used for anyone that isn't an overly positive cheerleader.