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I've always hesitated to recommend Signal to people due to Moxie's attitude towards the more traditional security and privacy community where things like federa

by arsome 6y ago

I've always hesitated to recommend Signal to people due to Moxie's attitude towards the more traditional security and privacy community where things like federation and open source are respected concepts. Tack this on the list and Signal just seems like a crazy thing to recommend now. If they can get the onboarding process on Element to be just a little bit easier, maybe a phone number based default, I'll be dumping Signal in a heartbeat.

shafyy 6y ago
That's exactly my thoughts. I convincd all my friends and family to switch over to Signal, and now this bullshit. I should have trusted my gut feeling about Signal not wanting to use a decentralized protocol to be a bad sign in the long-term.
wolverine876 6y ago
> I've always hesitated to recommend Signal to people due to Moxie's attitude towards the more traditional security and privacy community where things like federation and open source are respected concepts. My understanding is that is a part of the amateur 'security' community, not the professional or expert one?
- feanaro 6y ago
  Why would you think that? And what is the amateur 'security' community?
  - wolverine876 6y ago
    >>> I've always hesitated to recommend Signal to people due to Moxie's attitude towards the more traditional security and privacy community where things like federation and open source are respected concepts. >> My understanding is that is a part of the amateur 'security' community, not the professional or expert one? > Why would you think that? And what is the amateur 'security' community? Hi - I think that because IME federation and open source are heavily emphasized by amateurs, and much less so by professionals. By amateur 'security' community, I mean nothing more than it sounds - non-professionals who focus on security, among a constellation of other issues. My point is that the arsome's comment (the first one) uses "traditional security and privacy community", and I want to clarify what that means. Among professionals, Moxie is much more traditional than the amateurs are, as I understand things.

by arsome 6y ago

shafyy 6y ago

That's exactly my thoughts. I convincd all my friends and family to switch over to Signal, and now this bullshit. I should have trusted my gut feeling about Signal not wanting to use a decentralized protocol to be a bad sign in the long-term.

wolverine876 6y ago

> I've always hesitated to recommend Signal to people due to Moxie's attitude towards the more traditional security and privacy community where things like federation and open source are respected concepts. My understanding is that is a part of the amateur 'security' community, not the professional or expert one?

feanaro 6y ago
Why would you think that? And what is the amateur 'security' community?
- wolverine876 6y ago
  >>> I've always hesitated to recommend Signal to people due to Moxie's attitude towards the more traditional security and privacy community where things like federation and open source are respected concepts. >> My understanding is that is a part of the amateur 'security' community, not the professional or expert one? > Why would you think that? And what is the amateur 'security' community? Hi - I think that because IME federation and open source are heavily emphasized by amateurs, and much less so by professionals. By amateur 'security' community, I mean nothing more than it sounds - non-professionals who focus on security, among a constellation of other issues. My point is that the arsome's comment (the first one) uses "traditional security and privacy community", and I want to clarify what that means. Among professionals, Moxie is much more traditional than the amateurs are, as I understand things.