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PGP doesn't have this problem

by kache_ 6y ago

UweSchmidt 6y ago
Do you regularly send email with PGP with a circle of friends? How did you get this established? Are you satisfied with the entire procedure?
- barbiturique 6y ago
  I do communicate with non technical friends thought encrytped email. I made them install DeltaChat. It's a encrypted chat relying on mail
cuillevel3 6y ago
Ugh, I hate PGP so much. It's keeping people from interacting securely for over two decades The UI is bad, integration is hard, the chain of trust (it never was a web) is broken, the CLI tools are annoying... but hey let's do crypto parties with other nerds and exchange passports.
- RIMR 6y ago
  What do you mean the UI is bad? Which one? https://www.openpgp.org/software/ https://www.openpgp.org/software/ Sounds to me like you used a specific piece of PGP software you didn't like or understand. How can you folks care so much about your privacy, but absolutely refuse to understand the tools you are provided that ensure your privacy? You're never going to get it if you demand it be provided in a blackbox app you don't have to think about. ProtonMail uses the PGP standard. Its UI is simple and easy. There's still one issue: You're trusting someone else to do your encryption for you.
  - cuillevel3 6y ago
    I started with PGP in the Nineties, under DOS. Back then it made sense. Though, it certainly was not for everybody. And despite all the crypto parties and what not, it's still not mainstream. And yes it's great that some tools manage to hide PGP, it's not easy to do. The problem, maybe it's not us, maybe it's PGP?
fennecfoxen 6y ago
PGP has its own problems. It's time for it to die. https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/13/whats-matter-with-pgp/ https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/13/whats-ma...
upofadown 6y ago
In particular PGP running on email or XMPP doesn't have this problem. The advantage comes from the base federated messaging system. Don't get me wrong. PGP is great as a simple standardized cryptography protocol intended for messaging. It should be used just for the standardization. The cryptography of encrypted messaging is an easy problem and has been well solved. We need to move on to the problem of how to explain it to the rest of the world well enough so they can use it.

PGP doesn't have this problem

by kache_ 6y ago

PGP doesn't have this problem

Do you regularly send email with PGP with a circle of friends? How did you get this established? Are you satisfied with the entire procedure?

barbiturique 6y ago
I do communicate with non technical friends thought encrytped email. I made them install DeltaChat. It's a encrypted chat relying on mail

cuillevel3 6y ago

Ugh, I hate PGP so much. It's keeping people from interacting securely for over two decades The UI is bad, integration is hard, the chain of trust (it never was a web) is broken, the CLI tools are annoying... but hey let's do crypto parties with other nerds and exchange passports.

RIMR 6y ago
What do you mean the UI is bad? Which one? https://www.openpgp.org/software/ https://www.openpgp.org/software/ Sounds to me like you used a specific piece of PGP software you didn't like or understand. How can you folks care so much about your privacy, but absolutely refuse to understand the tools you are provided that ensure your privacy? You're never going to get it if you demand it be provided in a blackbox app you don't have to think about. ProtonMail uses the PGP standard. Its UI is simple and easy. There's still one issue: You're trusting someone else to do your encryption for you.
- cuillevel3 6y ago
  I started with PGP in the Nineties, under DOS. Back then it made sense. Though, it certainly was not for everybody. And despite all the crypto parties and what not, it's still not mainstream. And yes it's great that some tools manage to hide PGP, it's not easy to do. The problem, maybe it's not us, maybe it's PGP?

fennecfoxen 6y ago

PGP has its own problems. It's time for it to die. https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/13/whats-matter-with-pgp/ https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2014/08/13/whats-ma...

upofadown 6y ago

In particular PGP running on email or XMPP doesn't have this problem. The advantage comes from the base federated messaging system. Don't get me wrong. PGP is great as a simple standardized cryptography protocol intended for messaging. It should be used just for the standardization. The cryptography of encrypted messaging is an easy problem and has been well solved. We need to move on to the problem of how to explain it to the rest of the world well enough so they can use it.