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Fun fact: Amazon is <10% of retail in the US, and lower globally. I don't really have much to disagree with you about, but maybe you want to check the "monopol

Fun fact: Amazon is <10% of retail in the US, and lower globally. I don't really have much to disagree with you about, but maybe you want to check the "monopoly" claim.

throwanem 6y ago
I used "monopolize" loosely, sure. Maybe they don't entirely, but they clearly want to. (And don't they? How much of b2c ecommerce are they? - how has the pandemic affected their share? You seem to have readier access to that data than I do!)
- greggyb 6y ago
  I've just come across the statistic before. Here's a quick search hit, saying e-commerce as of a year and a bit ago that indicates 35% of e-commerce. https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2019/12/amazons-market-share19 https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2019/12/amazons-mark... Maybe they do want to monopolize, but I'm pretty sure that they couldn't, what with Walmart, Target, eBay, Ali Express, and other major global players in the space. Amazon's want is largely irrelevant to a conversation like this.
  - throwanem 6y ago
    On the other hand, it's harder to make a sentence flow around "oligopolistic". I feel like seeing that Amazon owned a third of US ecommerce, before the pandemic stomped brick-and-mortar flat, goes more to my point than to yours.
    - greggyb 6y ago
      Your point has changed at least twice in this thread. My point was simply that "monopoly" is not an accurate term here. You can't say "oligopoly may be more accurate, so I've been correct."
      - throwanem 6y ago
        Sure I can! You're quibbling over my choice of a single, admittedly inexact but contextually plain, word, rather than engage at all with the actual point I made. I'm just trying to meet you where you are.
        JumpCrisscross 6y ago
        > a single, admittedly inexact but contextually plain, word Within the context of a policy discussion, a monopoly versus oligopoly is a pretty material difference. Every growing business at some level “wants” to monopolise their niche.
        Nevermark 6y ago
        You are still not addressing the point despite wording clarifications that addressed your original quibbles.
        greggyb 6y ago
        You're responding to someone else now. I'll quote myself: > I don't really have much to disagree with you about, but maybe you want to check the "monopoly" claim. If you want to have a debate, we can. Name something you want to disagree on.
jimnotgym 6y ago
But their retail presence is often at the expense of SMEs Look how the small ecommerce companies have all become FBA companies
- castlecrasher2 6y ago
  >Look how the small ecommerce companies have all become FBA companies While I suspect you're right in that many have, I don't believe it's anywhere near a majority.
  - dredmorbius 6y ago
    FBA: fulfillment by Amazon. https://sell.amazon.com/fulfillment-by-amazon.html https://sell.amazon.com/fulfillment-by-amazon.html Or in the alternative, Fellow of the British Academy. https://www.acronymfinder.com/FBA.html https://www.acronymfinder.com/FBA.html

Fun fact: Amazon is <10% of retail in the US, and lower globally. I don't really have much to disagree with you about, but maybe you want to check the "monopoly" claim.

throwanem 6y ago

I used "monopolize" loosely, sure. Maybe they don't entirely, but they clearly want to. (And don't they? How much of b2c ecommerce are they? - how has the pandemic affected their share? You seem to have readier access to that data than I do!)

greggyb 6y ago
I've just come across the statistic before. Here's a quick search hit, saying e-commerce as of a year and a bit ago that indicates 35% of e-commerce. https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2019/12/amazons-market-share19 https://www.ben-evans.com/benedictevans/2019/12/amazons-mark... Maybe they do want to monopolize, but I'm pretty sure that they couldn't, what with Walmart, Target, eBay, Ali Express, and other major global players in the space. Amazon's want is largely irrelevant to a conversation like this.
- throwanem 6y ago
  On the other hand, it's harder to make a sentence flow around "oligopolistic". I feel like seeing that Amazon owned a third of US ecommerce, before the pandemic stomped brick-and-mortar flat, goes more to my point than to yours.
  - greggyb 6y ago
    Your point has changed at least twice in this thread. My point was simply that "monopoly" is not an accurate term here. You can't say "oligopoly may be more accurate, so I've been correct."
    - throwanem 6y ago
      Sure I can! You're quibbling over my choice of a single, admittedly inexact but contextually plain, word, rather than engage at all with the actual point I made. I'm just trying to meet you where you are.
      - JumpCrisscross 6y ago
        > a single, admittedly inexact but contextually plain, word Within the context of a policy discussion, a monopoly versus oligopoly is a pretty material difference. Every growing business at some level “wants” to monopolise their niche.
        Nevermark 6y ago
        You are still not addressing the point despite wording clarifications that addressed your original quibbles.
        greggyb 6y ago
        You're responding to someone else now. I'll quote myself: > I don't really have much to disagree with you about, but maybe you want to check the "monopoly" claim. If you want to have a debate, we can. Name something you want to disagree on.

jimnotgym 6y ago

But their retail presence is often at the expense of SMEs Look how the small ecommerce companies have all become FBA companies

castlecrasher2 6y ago
>Look how the small ecommerce companies have all become FBA companies While I suspect you're right in that many have, I don't believe it's anywhere near a majority.
- dredmorbius 6y ago
  FBA: fulfillment by Amazon. https://sell.amazon.com/fulfillment-by-amazon.html https://sell.amazon.com/fulfillment-by-amazon.html Or in the alternative, Fellow of the British Academy. https://www.acronymfinder.com/FBA.html https://www.acronymfinder.com/FBA.html