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English is not the only language people speak you know.

pseudalopex 6y ago
We're talking in English about Stallman's idiosyncratic English pronouns. What other language did you have in mind when you wrote Apache helicopter gunship?
- gher-shyu3i 6y ago
  We're talking about the issue in general, not just what Stallman said. If someone comes up to you and told you he identifies as an Apache helicopter gunship, are you going to think he's insane, or are you going to cater to him?
  - pseudalopex 6y ago
    The comment you replied to seems to be about what Stallman said. ("You might feel the line between innocent mistake and maliciousness has not been crossed. Other people do disagree.") It certainly was about names and pronouns. Not a variation on a tired transphobic straw man meme.[1] [1] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-sexually-identify-as-an-attack-helicopter https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-sexually-identify-as-an-att...
    - gher-shyu3i 6y ago
      The issue has to be addressed. So far, it seems to be a Western (English-only speaking) issue. Furthermore, dismissing any criticism as a "transphobic" straw man isn't helping.
      - kodah 6y ago
        You didn't provide criticism, you made a word meme. There's a big difference. Your reaction does not add to this discourse and furthermore I'd say it damages it. Consider this: If I disagree with the sentiment that "if a trans person is offended, then it is transphobic" and someone reads your reactionary comment, guess how much more work I have to do to positively engage with someone? The answer is a lot. Said another way, your reactionary statement justifies someone else's extremism. If you cannot debate people positively, maturely, and without reaching for tools like reactionary statements or sarcasm then please just sit the conversation out.
  - tremon 6y ago
    The pronoun associated with a gunship is "it", I have no problem referring to people as "it" if that's what it prefers.
    - gher-shyu3i 6y ago
      No, that person doesn't want to be referred to as "it", he wants to be referred to as Apache helicopter gunship. No what? Also, what about in languages that don't have "it"?
      - dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
        Of course you'll agree. You will do it for two reasons: 1) you are a nice person and would like to be polite, avoiding offending anyone, 2) if you fail to do so, there are people who will make sure you'll regret your decision.
        gher-shyu3i 6y ago
        So being polite means I need to further the mentally ill in their delusion? The second one is a problem that's for sure. Cancel culture is getting out of hand.
        dang 6y ago
        Would you please stop posting flamewar comments? It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. You've posted dozens of them in the last 24 hours alone. This is not cool. Moreover, using HN primarily for ideological or political battle is one line at which we start banning accounts—regardless of what they're battling for or against—and it looks like your account is well over that line. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended, we'd appreciate it. There's lots more explanation here: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

We're talking in English about Stallman's idiosyncratic English pronouns. What other language did you have in mind when you wrote Apache helicopter gunship?

gher-shyu3i 6y ago
We're talking about the issue in general, not just what Stallman said. If someone comes up to you and told you he identifies as an Apache helicopter gunship, are you going to think he's insane, or are you going to cater to him?
- pseudalopex 6y ago
  The comment you replied to seems to be about what Stallman said. ("You might feel the line between innocent mistake and maliciousness has not been crossed. Other people do disagree.") It certainly was about names and pronouns. Not a variation on a tired transphobic straw man meme.[1] [1] https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-sexually-identify-as-an-attack-helicopter https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/i-sexually-identify-as-an-att...
  - gher-shyu3i 6y ago
    The issue has to be addressed. So far, it seems to be a Western (English-only speaking) issue. Furthermore, dismissing any criticism as a "transphobic" straw man isn't helping.
    - kodah 6y ago
      You didn't provide criticism, you made a word meme. There's a big difference. Your reaction does not add to this discourse and furthermore I'd say it damages it. Consider this: If I disagree with the sentiment that "if a trans person is offended, then it is transphobic" and someone reads your reactionary comment, guess how much more work I have to do to positively engage with someone? The answer is a lot. Said another way, your reactionary statement justifies someone else's extremism. If you cannot debate people positively, maturely, and without reaching for tools like reactionary statements or sarcasm then please just sit the conversation out.
- tremon 6y ago
  The pronoun associated with a gunship is "it", I have no problem referring to people as "it" if that's what it prefers.
  - gher-shyu3i 6y ago
    No, that person doesn't want to be referred to as "it", he wants to be referred to as Apache helicopter gunship. No what? Also, what about in languages that don't have "it"?
    - dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
      Of course you'll agree. You will do it for two reasons: 1) you are a nice person and would like to be polite, avoiding offending anyone, 2) if you fail to do so, there are people who will make sure you'll regret your decision.
      - gher-shyu3i 6y ago
        So being polite means I need to further the mentally ill in their delusion? The second one is a problem that's for sure. Cancel culture is getting out of hand.
        dang 6y ago
        Would you please stop posting flamewar comments? It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for. You've posted dozens of them in the last 24 hours alone. This is not cool. Moreover, using HN primarily for ideological or political battle is one line at which we start banning accounts—regardless of what they're battling for or against—and it looks like your account is well over that line. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use HN as intended, we'd appreciate it. There's lots more explanation here: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...