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The interview improved my understanding of our civilization's current situation. I was aware of Hypernormalization we have been feeling in Turkey, and thought t

The interview improved my understanding of our civilization's current situation. I was aware of Hypernormalization we have been feeling in Turkey, and thought that it is similar to Soviet Society, but I didn't understand that the reason for the static nature of the world in general was pattern analysis. I should have suspected this. I used to spend my time painting and worked as a graphic designer. A couple months ago I changed my role in the company and have been working as a copywriter/editor. Even though for the past couple months, I have been spending all my time devouring books about writing, and understanding this new behemoth, the internet still suggest me things only about art. I have changed, but the algorithms didn't catch up yet. I wonder how long will it take until the algorithms catch up. This was a major change in my life, and I can easily see the lag, but I wonder how does the algorithms that recommend stuff to me guides my thinking, especially on subjects smaller in scale. How does the spiral of recommendations change our perception of the world? Moreover, do the big tech companies create this systems consciously? Is there a plot dividing the individuals into manageable groups? Definitely the machines don't look at us as a narrative, so I think as long as my searches and inventory of items related to art is bigger than the ones about writing, the world will continue treating me as an artist.

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luckylion 6y ago
> I have changed, but the algorithms didn't catch up yet. I wonder how long will it take until the algorithms catch up. That's a good point, and an interesting question. If you change, but the algorithms don't acknowledge that change and treat you the same, how much is you identity in your own hands, how fungible is it? We could add lots of "I no longer think that" forms, but I suppose a lot of it isn't because you're sorted into the artist-folder, but recommendations because of your past actions that aren't easily changed. > Is there a plot dividing the individuals into manageable groups? I don't think so, but I'm not sure it matters. The end result is similar, only that there's not one large conspiracy that's trying to herd you into thinking a certain way. Instead, it's a multitude of interests that are pulling you into their direction and you kind of get pulled to where most of them are in your niche of the world. But in either way, you do get pulled. Can you opt out? I'm not sure, but you can probably limit your exposure by e.g. not watching television, not reading news sites, not spending time on Twitter.
- yigitcakar 6y ago
  > If you change, but the algorithms don't acknowledge that change and treat you the same, how much is you identity in your own hands, how fungible is it? I don't think algorithms doesn't change my identity, but I am curious whether people I am loosely connected or the algorithms will acknowledge this change first. > I don't think so, but I'm not sure it matters. The end result is similar, only that there's not one large conspiracy that's trying to herd you into thinking a certain way. I think there might be though, since marketers always think about market segmentation and creating the systems that guide people into herds will be the first thing they would think. If you consider almost all the big tech companies are funded by advertising, shifting people into manageable segments might be intentional.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    Oh, for sure. Fortunately, they're all trying to get you under their control, and they don't want you under the control of the other guy. As long as you don't get pulled apart, they can act to counter-balance each other. As for identity: I'm not a believer of us having total free will, so what you hear and see is important to what you understand and think. I don't think we're at the point where we're totally controlled by whatever bubble we might have gotten ourselves into, but it certainly doesn't get easier to get out when the services that, to a large degree, shape your world view, have learned what you expect, and are trying to give it to you, even when you've changed. Graphic design to writing might not be the largest change, but for things that affect you to the core, having the world presented to you that in a way that was learned based on the previous version of you might be like a recovering alcoholic walking through a town where every ad is personalized and shows him nothing but booze.

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luckylion 6y ago

> I have changed, but the algorithms didn't catch up yet. I wonder how long will it take until the algorithms catch up. That's a good point, and an interesting question. If you change, but the algorithms don't acknowledge that change and treat you the same, how much is you identity in your own hands, how fungible is it? We could add lots of "I no longer think that" forms, but I suppose a lot of it isn't because you're sorted into the artist-folder, but recommendations because of your past actions that aren't easily changed. > Is there a plot dividing the individuals into manageable groups? I don't think so, but I'm not sure it matters. The end result is similar, only that there's not one large conspiracy that's trying to herd you into thinking a certain way. Instead, it's a multitude of interests that are pulling you into their direction and you kind of get pulled to where most of them are in your niche of the world. But in either way, you do get pulled. Can you opt out? I'm not sure, but you can probably limit your exposure by e.g. not watching television, not reading news sites, not spending time on Twitter.

yigitcakar 6y ago
> If you change, but the algorithms don't acknowledge that change and treat you the same, how much is you identity in your own hands, how fungible is it? I don't think algorithms doesn't change my identity, but I am curious whether people I am loosely connected or the algorithms will acknowledge this change first. > I don't think so, but I'm not sure it matters. The end result is similar, only that there's not one large conspiracy that's trying to herd you into thinking a certain way. I think there might be though, since marketers always think about market segmentation and creating the systems that guide people into herds will be the first thing they would think. If you consider almost all the big tech companies are funded by advertising, shifting people into manageable segments might be intentional.
- luckylion 6y ago
  Oh, for sure. Fortunately, they're all trying to get you under their control, and they don't want you under the control of the other guy. As long as you don't get pulled apart, they can act to counter-balance each other. As for identity: I'm not a believer of us having total free will, so what you hear and see is important to what you understand and think. I don't think we're at the point where we're totally controlled by whatever bubble we might have gotten ourselves into, but it certainly doesn't get easier to get out when the services that, to a large degree, shape your world view, have learned what you expect, and are trying to give it to you, even when you've changed. Graphic design to writing might not be the largest change, but for things that affect you to the core, having the world presented to you that in a way that was learned based on the previous version of you might be like a recovering alcoholic walking through a town where every ad is personalized and shows him nothing but booze.